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IMpalace London 07 Jan 05 4.17pm | |
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I have a muslim father, and a christian mother, but neither of them are strict religiously, and i grew up 'without a religion' if you like. Somebody said it earlier but nobody answered, so i just wanted to ask a question iv always wondered.. If someone is a 'good person', treats others with respect bla bla bla but they have no interest in religion does God accept them to go to heaven or do they go 'down below' simply because they weren't religious? Would be interested to hear an answer from somebody who is perhaps a strict believer, which ever religion it may be..
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Singapore Eagle ....back in London now 07 Jan 05 4.19pm | |
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Quote jcreedy at 07 Jan 2005 4:11pm
I'd disagree that there are more good things in the world right now than bad. The world is full of heartache, pain and destruction and will probably get worse before it gets better. God won't help us to rebuild people's lives after war, tsunami's, earthquakes and starvation. We have to do that ourselves. A God that allows all this to happen surely can't exist, and if he did, would be nothing but a waste of space. The tsunami was absolutely the sort of thing that tests faith... (if you have it) Read the following extract from an article written by Suketu Mehta (from The Wall Street Journal on 28/12/2004), writing about the impact of the Tsunami in Sri Lanka: Quote: This has nothing to do with any sort of religion - it is far wider. It affects all. Fonts didn't work here!! [edit: there you go, SE!] Edited by Singapore Eagle (07 Jan 2005 4:21pm) Edited by Moose (07 Jan 2005 4:29pm)
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jcreedy 07 Jan 05 4.20pm | |
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Quote IMpalace at 07 Jan 2005 4:17pm
I have a muslim father, and a christian mother, but neither of them are strict religiously, and i grew up 'without a religion' if you like. Somebody said it earlier but nobody answered, so i just wanted to ask a question iv always wondered.. If someone is a 'good person', treats others with respect bla bla bla but they have no interest in religion does God accept them to go to heaven or do they go 'down below' simply because they weren't religious? Would be interested to hear an answer from somebody who is perhaps a strict believer, which ever religion it may be..
It was my dream to play for Palace and to make my debut. I've always played for the club so if I'm playing here, I wouldn't want to be anywhere else. - John Bostock (Nov 2007) |
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mattwebb Sutton 07 Jan 05 4.23pm | |
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This isn't a popular belief but it comes straight out of the Bible. The truth is that none of us can ever be good ENOUGH for heaven. The Bible tells us that all fall short of the glory of God. If we have commited one sin, then we don't deserve heaven, and we have all sinned, seeing as it is even a sin to have considered sinning. So God created man in a perfect world without sin. The angel Lucifer rebelled against God, and God put him in his own kingdom which is hell. Then through Adam and Eve, sin entered into humans. God doesn't want any of his creations to go to the place he created for Satan, but as there can be no sin in Heaven, anyone who sins must go to hell. God is all loving, and does not condemn anyone, it is not HIS fault we deserve hell but our own, we have a free will. But being the God of grace and giving us what we don't deserve he came down in our place as the Son, and died in our place. This was a gift for all, but you cannot claim a gift unless you have received it. No person is good enough but Christ, but we can claim His gift of salvation so long as we receive it. Even the nicest people on Earth are not quite perfect, so fall short of the glory of God. So praise God, that He paid such a price because of our sin. I worship God because He loves me enough to die for me. He died for you too!
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mattwebb Sutton 07 Jan 05 4.26pm | |
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Jesus paid the price for our sins. The wages of sin is death. You pay for your sins by going to hell when you die (spiritual death), but Christ went to the cross in our place so that we don't have to go to Hell, because our sins have already been paid for.
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Singapore Eagle ....back in London now 07 Jan 05 4.29pm | |
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mattwebb - you have your beliefs. I am sure that you will agree that it does not make them 100% correct. I've had sermons from my Dad (sister, mother-inlaw, brother-inlaw etc) for years..........I choose to make my own choice. Rightly or wrongly. I think you are very honourable for trying to convert the unconverted, but don't see the unconverted as being totally wrong. We all make our own decisions.
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jcreedy 07 Jan 05 4.30pm | |
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Quote mattwebb at 07 Jan 2005 4:26pm
Jesus paid the price for our sins. The wages of sin is death. You pay for your sins by going to hell when you die (spiritual death), but Christ went to the cross in our place so that we don't have to go to Hell, because our sins have already been paid for.
It was my dream to play for Palace and to make my debut. I've always played for the club so if I'm playing here, I wouldn't want to be anywhere else. - John Bostock (Nov 2007) |
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Singapore Eagle ....back in London now 07 Jan 05 4.31pm | |
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Depends if you believe in Hell
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Moose In the sewer pipe... 07 Jan 05 4.34pm | |
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Quote mattwebb at 07 Jan 2005 4:26pm
Jesus paid the price for our sins. The wages of sin is death. You pay for your sins by going to hell when you die (spiritual death), but Christ went to the cross in our place so that we don't have to go to Hell, because our sins have already been paid for. Out of interest, what happened to all the sinners that died before Christ? Are they all huddled together down in hell wishing they'd been born a few hundred years' later?
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Danger Playa del Merstham 07 Jan 05 4.35pm | |
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Quote jcreedy at 07 Jan 2005 4:30pm
Quote mattwebb at 07 Jan 2005 4:26pm
Jesus paid the price for our sins. The wages of sin is death. You pay for your sins by going to hell when you die (spiritual death), but Christ went to the cross in our place so that we don't have to go to Hell, because our sins have already been paid for.
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Singapore Eagle ....back in London now 07 Jan 05 4.36pm | |
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Moose, Don't make it even more complicated!!!
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yellabubs Sheffield 07 Jan 05 4.36pm | |
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All the Christian faiths used to preach that it was fire and brimstone for anyone not Christened or who didn't follow their strict rules. However, Churches (in general) don't preach this anymore because its not popular with the punters. No punters mean no money and no power. Just goes to prove that religions are the making of men and not Gods.
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