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PalazioVecchio south pole 15 Jun 24 10.26pm | |
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Originally posted by Teddy Eagle
Or Cornish. Wisbech declared himself English ie Anglo Saxon. And yet Cornwall is Celtic. They became majority English-speaking there only recently. Only about a thousand years after the rest of Ingerland. Cornwall spoke Cornish up until the time of mad King George. Today, is a Cornishman also an Englishman ? maybe, but they hate wealthy londoners buying holiday homes there. Same as the Bretons hate Parisians.
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Teddy Eagle 15 Jun 24 10.36pm | |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
I am not sure whether having a “protected identity” really qualifies but some would no doubt think so, and if it makes them happy, why not? Why not indeed. If putting cream on top of jam is a pride worthy attribute then good luck to them.
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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 15 Jun 24 10.36pm | |
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Interesting article, especially as I was in Israel myself last year just a few weeks before the Hamas atrocity. Don’t see the connection to Englishness though!
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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 15 Jun 24 10.44pm | |
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Originally posted by PalazioVecchio
Wisbech declared himself English ie Anglo Saxon. And yet Cornwall is Celtic. They became majority English-speaking there only recently. Only about a thousand years after the rest of Ingerland. Cornwall spoke Cornish up until the time of mad King George. Today, is a Cornishman also an Englishman ? maybe, but they hate wealthy londoners buying holiday homes there. Same as the Bretons hate Parisians. I am an incomer. Someone who isn’t Cornish but lives here. I am English. We appreciate the local culture and often participate in it. Some of my best friends are Cornish. This weekend is the Falmouth Sea Shanty Festival. The town is heaving with people with music on stages and in most of the pubs from early to late. The Fisherman’s Friends were on the main stage for 2 hours earlier. How many watching were Cornish? Who knows, but most won’t be.
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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 15 Jun 24 10.53pm | |
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Originally posted by Badger11
England is a nation that has existed for a thousand years. It's a disgrace that the elite are trying to replace it first with British and then European. Scotland became a nation around the same time as England yet I don't see anyone declaring no such thing as Scottish. Nobody is trying to replace anything! We are all British and have been since the Act of Union in 1707. We are also either English, Welsh, Scots or Northern Irish. Or none, if we prefer just to be British.
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Hrolf The Ganger 15 Jun 24 10.59pm | |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
No, that’s the legal position in France as I understand it. Not the emotional one. Only the emotional one has any relevance to the situation in the UK. I am 100% English. Everyone knows he's a good bit German. So what? Everyone now knows you are a quarter French. I'm 6% Scottish genetically speaking, if it makes you feel better. I better not mention the 3% Norwegian, Irish and Welsh. I hardly think that being a bit German is grounds for abdication. On that basis, no King or Queen in history would be legitimate. Sleep well. Don't wear the onions around your neck in bed. Save them for a morning bike ride in your stripy jumper and beret when you get the bread.
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Hrolf The Ganger 15 Jun 24 11.10pm | |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
You confirm exactly what I have been saying. Trying to nuance it because of scale or timing doesn’t change the facts. The gene pool has changed constantly and in recent centuries probably faster than in the past. Seeking to determine what constitutes being English by genetics is nonsensical. The only way is individually, by how people feel. Not by other people imposing their own standards on them. It’s not a legal matter, determined by Parliament. We are legally British. Being English is about emotional connections. You can think of me as 1/4 French until the cows come home. It doesn’t make the slightest difference to how I feel or my legal status. All you do here is confirm the absurdity of comparing historical immigration with the recent mass invasion in such a way as to try and pretend that they make it all OK. It's not OK. As I previously stated. Our population has barely changed it's make up for 1600 years. You don't value your people or your country. You want to give it away and see it turned into the third world. Edited by Hrolf The Ganger (15 Jun 2024 11.11pm)
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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 15 Jun 24 11.16pm | |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
I know you have a problem accepting that Northern Europeans are White. You also seem to have a problem people who are White and like it. A bit sad really. So your self loathing aside, there is no doubt that the question of Englishness becomes more complex when you introduce people of mixed race or nationality. Cutting through all your bulls***, the simple fact is that the vast majority of people in Britain can trace their heritage back through thousands of years. Obviously, when Europe was one landmass, people could wander across it. Since that time our genetic make up has been changed, in small degrees by European invasions. Now if you want to simply be perceived as 'English' you need to speak English, adopt English customs and culture, support English sports teams, refer to yourself as an Englishman, not adhere to religions or behaviour that is anti English or runs counter to our Christian based values. Your ethnicity is not necessarily a factor, but it helps to be recognised as English if you look like an Englishman. Some well known examples were not Northern European but were perceived as English. Some people not born in England have been considered English by parentage. In the end, most English want to preserve the England they had and reject the schisms, backward alien religions, the crime, the violence and the endless nonsense about racial etiquette that mass immigration has brought us.
The only thing to judge anyone by is how they behave. Not by their appearance or any other characteristic. You do though get it right when you refer to culture being the true determinant. That is our heritage and it needs to be treasured and celebrated. Not though set in stone because it has always evolved over time to embrace new experiences. It just must not be replaced. We must insist it is respected by all who live here. What “looking like an Englishman” means is puzzling. Most don’t look at all like people did in my youth, and I would hate to look like them. What I would like to see is everyone possessing the work ethics I had during my working life, which continues today. Not how they look whilst doing it.
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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 15 Jun 24 11.20pm | |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
All you do here is confirm the absurdity of comparing historical immigration with the recent mass invasion in such a way as to try and pretend that they make it all OK. It's not OK. As I previously stated. Our population has barely changed it's make up for 1600 years. You don't value your people or your country. You want to give it away and see it turned into the third world. Edited by Hrolf The Ganger (15 Jun 2024 11.11pm) That’s an entirely different argument which has already been discussed ad nauseam. I won’t get into it again. As was said elsewhere, “wrong thread”. Post it elsewhere. I won’t respond.
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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 15 Jun 24 11.25pm | |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
Everyone knows he's a good bit German. So what? Everyone now knows you are a quarter French. I'm 6% Scottish genetically speaking, if it makes you feel better. I better not mention the 3% Norwegian, Irish and Welsh. I hardly think that being a bit German is grounds for abdication. On that basis, no King or Queen in history would be legitimate. Sleep well. Don't wear the onions around your neck in bed. Save them for a morning bike ride in your stripy jumper and beret when you get the bread. Well done. By your DNA based logic neither you, me nor the King are English. By mine we all are. Who, by yours, is?
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Hrolf The Ganger 16 Jun 24 12.36am | |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
Well done. By your DNA based logic neither you, me nor the King are English. By mine we all are. Who, by yours, is?
No said that everyone ‘English’ has 100% English genes.
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Hrolf The Ganger 16 Jun 24 12.42am | |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
That’s an entirely different argument which has already been discussed ad nauseam. I won’t get into it again. As was said elsewhere, “wrong thread”. Post it elsewhere. I won’t respond. It’s entirely relevant to the conversation. Bonne nuit .
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