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Nicholas91 The Democratic Republic of Kent 03 Apr 24 11.43pm | |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
For me, the obvious difference is that one was by accident and one was by design. They get a different reaction because the left control the narrative via the vast majority of the media. They, as we all know, hate pride in British history and culture and are obsessed with Nazis. They try to shut down any opposition as we have seen with GB News and besmirch anyone who dares oppose their loopy ideals. You only need to see the MO of leftists online to see their obsessive hatred of counter argument. Edited by Hrolf The Ganger (03 Apr 2024 11.24pm) I can see why you’d say that, I’m just refraining from voicing my own suspicions as they are only just that without hard evidence. I just think it more effective to say that it makes little sense to identify similarities with Nazi symbolism and say ‘remove at once’ but then say any similarities between woke symbolism and the changing of the colours of the St George cross are completely coincidental in the same breath. Both have weight in my eyes and both are equally vulnerable to speculation and scrutiny. One has been amended without hesitation and one has not. That could tell a story.
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georgenorman 04 Apr 24 7.14am | |
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Originally posted by Teddy Eagle
There is an England shirt no. 18. Should we react to that? It's like Germany in the 1930s.
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Spiderman Horsham 04 Apr 24 8.25am | |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
It just isn’t though. No one is tampering with any flag. The flags that will fly remain untouched. No one is sticking labels on merchandise and saying they are flags. This is somebody designing merchandise. Nothing more. That they use a design reference to create a link is often done. I am sure Mary Quant’s stuff back in the 60s used such references but they weren’t flags either. Unless there is a patent, or some other protective restriction over the design then this is a fuss about nothing at all. That the merchandise exists isn’t fake, but the furore is and those who try to whip up false sentiment are indeed spreading propaganda. The shirt has previously had the red and white cross…why? Maybe because it symbolises England. The Olympics kit has always incorporated red white and blue…why? because it symbolises GB
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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 04 Apr 24 8.35am | |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
For me, the obvious difference is that one was by accident and one was by design. They get a different reaction because the left control the narrative via the vast majority of the media. They, as we all know, hate pride in British history and culture and are obsessed with Nazis. They try to shut down any opposition as we have seen with GB News and besmirch anyone who dares oppose their loopy ideals. You only need to see the MO of leftists online to see their obsessive hatred of counter argument. Edited by Hrolf The Ganger (03 Apr 2024 11.24pm) Let’s examine the highlighted section and check it for accuracy. Who controls the “vast majority of the media”? Is it Murdoch and the other right leaning media barons? Or the people who work for them, who have a variety of views and no control? Even the BBC is controlled by its Board of Govenors and bound by its Charter. Pride in British history and our culture abounds, particularly on TV where there are many programmes being regularly presented. Nor do I see any “obsession” with the Nazis. I see a determination not to allow the passage of time to overlook the lessons the horrors of the Nazi period taught us. Lessons that many are now too young to have any knowledge of themselves, via their parents or grandparents, so can easily dismiss as over stated. GBNews by the way is entirely the architect of its problems. All it has to do is abide to the standards demanded of every broadcaster and deliver content that the advertisers think make it worthwhile spending money on, and they will be fine. Broadcast propaganda and they will be in trouble.
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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 04 Apr 24 8.43am | |
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Originally posted by Spiderman
The shirt has previously had the red and white cross…why? Maybe because it symbolises England. The Olympics kit has always incorporated red white and blue…why? because it symbolises GB I know both those things. I don’t know why they decided to change the shirt but it doesn’t bother me. If permanently, perhaps, but as a temporary gesture, so what? There are bigger things to worry about. The kit the athletes will wear has not changed at all. That will contain the traditional flag and colours. It’s only some merchandise which has a design utilising the patten but with different colours.
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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 04 Apr 24 8.51am | |
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Originally posted by Teddy Eagle
So there are limits to the semiotics of football apparel. Good to know. Why would the average person think 18 to be offensive? Many players wear it.
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Hrolf The Ganger 04 Apr 24 8.58am | |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
Let’s examine the highlighted section and check it for accuracy. Who controls the “vast majority of the media”? Is it Murdoch and the other right leaning media barons? Or the people who work for them, who have a variety of views and no control? Even the BBC is controlled by its Board of Govenors and bound by its Charter. Pride in British history and our culture abounds, particularly on TV where there are many programmes being regularly presented. Nor do I see any “obsession” with the Nazis. I see a determination not to allow the passage of time to overlook the lessons the horrors of the Nazi period taught us. Lessons that many are now too young to have any knowledge of themselves, via their parents or grandparents, so can easily dismiss as over stated. GBNews by the way is entirely the architect of its problems. All it has to do is abide to the standards demanded of every broadcaster and deliver content that the advertisers think make it worthwhile spending money on, and they will be fine. Broadcast propaganda and they will be in trouble. More mythological nonsense. It seems that you have been reduced to splurging an endless stream of leftist tropes. Odd for a conservative. Murdoch owns a few newspapers that no one reads and exercises no editorial control over SKY. GB News is attacked by the radical left constantly. It's a typical example of leftists not being content with thinking they are right but wanting to stop others being wrong. OFTCOM is just a puppet of the liberal elite. They aren't really independent at all.
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Hrolf The Ganger 04 Apr 24 9.07am | |
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Originally posted by georgenorman
It's like Germany in the 1930s. There in lies the irony. Our country has never been more like pre war Germany and yet 24 hour news is concerned with the numbers on a single football shirt. Bear in mind that this is not even the whole team, just one squad number. Meanwhile, complaints about the desecration of our national flag are dismissed by the radical left who are now behaving more like Nazis than Nazis and are aligning themselves with radical Muslims who make Nazis look like choirboys. Edited by Hrolf The Ganger (04 Apr 2024 9.08am)
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georgenorman 04 Apr 24 9.11am | |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
There in lies the irony. Our country has never been more like pre war Germany and yet 24 hour news is concerned with the numbers on a single football shirt. Bear in mind that this is not even the whole team, just one squad number. Meanwhile, complaints about the desecration of our national flag are dismissed by the radical left who are now behaving more like Nazis than Nazis and are aligning themselves with radical Muslims who make Nazis look like choirboys. Edited by Hrolf The Ganger (04 Apr 2024 9.08am) They have vays of making us concerned.
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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 04 Apr 24 10.48am | |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
More mythological nonsense. It seems that you have been reduced to splurging an endless stream of leftist tropes. Odd for a conservative. Murdoch owns a few newspapers that no one reads and exercises no editorial control over SKY. GB News is attacked by the radical left constantly. It's a typical example of leftists not being content with thinking they are right but wanting to stop others being wrong. OFTCOM is just a puppet of the liberal elite. They aren't really independent at all. Anyone who thinks Rupert Murdoch is just a passive investor hasn't been following his activities for the last 50 years. He doesn't write the daily copy but his influence over the political positions of the media he either controls or has significant involvement in is huge. GB News gets deservedly criticised. As the right aren't likely to do it then it's mainly those in the sensible centre who do. You can discount the left if you wish. They are as equally biased as the right so can be ignored, but to categorise all the criticism as coming from the left is nonsense. It's just not coming from the right. Ofcom is a statutory body. It is an independent body which merged several other regulatory bodies into one. It reflects the standards the people as a whole expect of broadcasters. Not the standards of those held by a minority on the right. That's democracy for you!
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Hrolf The Ganger 04 Apr 24 10.53am | |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
Anyone who thinks Rupert Murdoch is just a passive investor hasn't been following his activities for the last 50 years. He doesn't write the daily copy but his influence over the political positions of the media he either controls or has significant involvement in is huge. GB News gets deservedly criticised. As the right aren't likely to do it then it's mainly those in the sensible centre who do. You can discount the left if you wish. They are as equally biased as the right so can be ignored, but to categorise all the criticism as coming from the left is nonsense. It's just not coming from the right. Ofcom is a statutory body. It is an independent body which merged several other regulatory bodies into one. It reflects the standards the people as a whole expect of broadcasters. Not the standards of those held by a minority on the right. That's democracy for you! That's delusion for you. I'm not going to keep contradicting the same points. Just watch SKY news to see how much right wing Murdoch influence there is over the content. Your other points are too laughable to respond to.
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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 04 Apr 24 11.01am | |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
There in lies the irony. Our country has never been more like pre war Germany and yet 24 hour news is concerned with the numbers on a single football shirt. Bear in mind that this is not even the whole team, just one squad number. Meanwhile, complaints about the desecration of our national flag are dismissed by the radical left who are now behaving more like Nazis than Nazis and are aligning themselves with radical Muslims who make Nazis look like choirboys. Edited by Hrolf The Ganger (04 Apr 2024 9.08am) Our country was much more like pre-war Germany, during the pre-war period than it is today! And indeed most of the time since. We are now a tolerant liberal democracy. There are some seriously weird ideas held by the right wing these days! There is a lot of confusion between the development of protections for minorities and a perception of restrictions for others. So long as you respect the rights of others then there are no restrictions.
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