The term 'far right' is used just like the term 'racist' as an attack word to defend the politics of the last thirty to forty years. Both neo and social liberalism has done little but transfer wealth to both the wealthy and business class and inflict cultural and demographic attacks onto the native British people....who they wish to replace via the frog in the heated water method.

You saying that the 'far right' would lead to bad outcomes seems to me something you have perhaps become convinced of via the constant bellowing by those who control what you see and hear.

However, the 'far right' in terms of who Reform deselect are saying nothing different to what the Tory party were saying in my youth....So in reality recognising 'far right' is liberal propaganda.

My personal thoughts are that this country is too far gone and far too left wing to save itself for at least another generation...by which time demographically it's too late.....even those who think of themselves as right wing wouldn't do what's needed to save it.

There are at least a minority of us who can say we never played any part in accepting the left's opinions or analysis.

However, how we got here and those that closed their eyes or ignored the journey shouldn't escape comment because none of it was hidden.....they just didn't want to admit it because that would entail doing something.

What you won't defend you will lose.....Well, we now live in the mess we allowed to happen.

Edited by Stirlingsays (27 Mar 2024 9.36am)

That jigsaw just happens to be missing a piece on decolonising 3 short stories written over 100 years ago and involoves travelling to Hawaii at someone else's expense.

I think you are being very unfair. It's going to take a lot of hard work and probably months slaving away on those South Pacific islands.

Why did Michael Caine do Jaws 4 a terrible movie from a franchise that was already bust.

Caine "They agreed to pay me millions and then I read the script, Scene 1 onboard a luxury yacht in the Caribbean and I thought that'll do".

I have an alternate suggestion for these researchers instead of the South Pacific how about something closer to home. Why not spend eight months researching Trainspotting in the slums of Glasgow?

To be fair, I believe that even "Hate" parties should get a vote if you want to see true democracy at play. Whether that be hatred of the rich or immigrants or homosexuals or Catholics or whatever...

But then the 1930s happened, and we saw what a combination of hard times and populism can bring.

You may see those in power as self-serving elites. That may indeed be true. But I genuinely think that many in power are also terrified of a repeat of history, especially those with influence who were most effected by the last horrors. They will fight to the death with all they have to ensure it doesn't happen again. If that means banning and oppressing hate parties, then so be it.

I'd agree.

I don't think the 'far right'...whatever that actually is....has ever held power in Britain, even in Europe.....Wasn't the last far right administration 'Franco' in Spain? Didn't that end in the sixties?

Since then it's been varied versions of liberalism.

As for myself, I was quite happy being a normie small c conservative for most of my life...even the first few years on Hol...it wasn't until what was happening around us became so obvious that I started actually looking over what I'd been taught to believe.

The reality is that I'm living in a country that's run by Wisbech Eagle types on most positions and it's brought us to where we are.....and I really really don't like that and think it's very bad for Britain's future.....but what can you do.

Well, you certainly can't vote for what all the neo/social liberals think the 'far right' is as the election rules effectively ban them from standing.

Apparently that's democracy.

Apparently only voting for liberalism is democracy, even though the people who created it weren't liberals.

Edited by Stirlingsays (27 Mar 2024 10.30am)

Whilst it seems to be quite a common perception I don’t think there is any “swing to the left”! I think there is confusion about what that term actually means.

I don’t hear anyone arguing for widespread public ownership or anything associated with truly left wing politics.

What I see is a more general understanding, and acceptance, of the differences between people and the need for tolerance and compassion in society. That has nothing to do with the principles of free market capitalism or a more state managed economy. It’s just the evolutionary path we are all on.

That some lag behind is only to be expected. It always happens. Eventually things once thought outrageous by some become so much part of the normal that they just get accepted and people stop making a fuss. There are many examples.

The current obsession with rejecting the acceptance of those experiencing gender dysphoria is an example of the first stages of this. It’s extreme on both sides but will find the common sense balance and become accepted. Just as homosexuality has.

Immigration is unconnected to this. It’s a much more complicated situation for which no easy solutions are available which will suit everyone . Populist politicians will lure people to vote for them with undeliverable promises, when what needs to be done is find ways to stem the flow of illegal, unplanned, immigration and manage the flow of those we need. And we do need people. Let’s be grown up and honest about it. For the foreseeable future we are going to have to accept continuing immigration. There is no practical alternative currently available and anyone telling you otherwise is either lying or doesn’t understand.

We certainly need strong politicians prepared to tell us the truth. Not those who talk strong without the first idea of what their rhetoric would actually deliver.