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Dubai Eagle 20 Mar 24 7.22am | |
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I think the Citeh one is going to be a challenge, I can almost imagine some sort of plea bargain to make it all go away & start with a clean slate (given the amount of charges & the time its going to take to go through them one by one) but to make that happen Citeh will have to admit that for at least some of the charges they broke the rules & they don't seem prepared to do that- Ultimately the powers that be are going to want to punish Citeh in a way that reflects suitably with any financial breaches that they can prove but they are not going to want to publicly castigate one of their golden geese. As an outsider its easy to casually sit here & think - they broke the rules for a long period of time they should be relegated, titles & cups stripped, transfer embargo etc etc etc, but honestly I cant see it being that drastic - when its all said & done it will probably end up with City starting a new season in the PL with a -20 points deduction & some public statements from both sides claiming that most of it was a misunderstanding of the ways that rules were applied at the time & how both parties still love each other & want to put the whole unfortunate saga to bed so that everyone can get on with enjoying the new season -
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Badger11 Beckenham 20 Mar 24 8.27am | |
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Originally posted by Dubai Eagle
I think the Citeh one is going to be a challenge, I can almost imagine some sort of plea bargain to make it all go away & start with a clean slate (given the amount of charges & the time its going to take to go through them one by one) but to make that happen Citeh will have to admit that for at least some of the charges they broke the rules & they don't seem prepared to do that- Ultimately the powers that be are going to want to punish Citeh in a way that reflects suitably with any financial breaches that they can prove but they are not going to want to publicly castigate one of their golden geese. As an outsider its easy to casually sit here & think - they broke the rules for a long period of time they should be relegated, titles & cups stripped, transfer embargo etc etc etc, but honestly I cant see it being that drastic - when its all said & done it will probably end up with City starting a new season in the PL with a -20 points deduction & some public statements from both sides claiming that most of it was a misunderstanding of the ways that rules were applied at the time & how both parties still love each other & want to put the whole unfortunate saga to bed so that everyone can get on with enjoying the new season -
If City by some miracle were relegated it still would not be a fair outcome. They would be back in the PL the following season whilst keeping all their trophies. A fair result would be that all their trophies should be cancelled and for every year they cheated they would incur a points deduction for each following season. So to be clear if they cheated for 10 years then for the following 10 years they should be penalised each season. Never going to happen of course, the most likely outcome is a one season penalty which their fans would take all day if they kept their trophies.
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Sansbup Norfolk 20 Mar 24 1.33pm | |
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In my view, all judgements in these cases should be applied in the summer before the next season. So either they relegate a team, or deduct points this should be applied to the coming season before it starts. No mid-season points deductions. This would be much fairer for everyone.
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Dubai Eagle 20 Mar 24 2.25pm | |
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Except the teams that got relegated in place of the ones that cheated. Originally posted by Sansbup
In my view, all judgements in these cases should be applied in the summer before the next season. So either they relegate a team, or deduct points this should be applied to the coming season before it starts. No mid-season points deductions. This would be much fairer for everyone.
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HKOwen Hong Kong 20 Mar 24 10.47pm | |
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It's not a level playing field ( Citeh ), spend on lawyers and potentially evade punishment. The PL will protects it's product. Fairly clear both Everton and Forest rolled the dice and lost. Lots of talk about Chelsea being next I will take anything that helps Palace maintain PL status
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Dubai Eagle 21 Mar 24 6.12am | |
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Apparently Chelsea referred themselves to the commission for transgressions during the Abramovic era, my guess is they did that because: a) They knew there were rules that had been broken & wanted to get ahead of the game, especially seeing the charges being levied against City - Originally posted by HKOwen
It's not a level playing field ( Citeh ), spend on lawyers and potentially evade punishment. The PL will protects it's product. Fairly clear both Everton and Forest rolled the dice and lost. Lots of talk about Chelsea being next I will take anything that helps Palace maintain PL status
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Davepalace707 Northumberland 21 Mar 24 7.45am | |
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Originally posted by HKOwen
It's not a level playing field ( Citeh ), spend on lawyers and potentially evade punishment. The PL will protects it's product. Fairly clear both Everton and Forest rolled the dice and lost. Lots of talk about Chelsea being next I will take anything that helps Palace maintain PL status They will only have lost if they get relegated this season. One of them won’t be and there’s a chance neither will be. They both overspent last season and stayed up by four or fewer points. You could argue they’ve already won as without spending they’d have been relegated. Four or six point deductions is not an adequate deterrent and other teams will gamble on spending to stay up.
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Dubai Eagle 21 Mar 24 8.24am | |
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When you read the report on the Forest hearing it mentions several times that one of the things that the commission want to avoid is future situations where clubs can reliably forecast what penalty they will incur if they fall foul of the guidelines (by whatever amount) but its clear that even at these relatively early stages its already happening - IDK what the answer is but maybe part of the answer could be harsher sentences for repeat offenders ? Originally posted by Davepalace707
They will only have lost if they get relegated this season. One of them won’t be and there’s a chance neither will be. They both overspent last season and stayed up by four or fewer points. You could argue they’ve already won as without spending they’d have been relegated. Four or six point deductions is not an adequate deterrent and other teams will gamble on spending to stay up.
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Badger11 Beckenham 21 Mar 24 8.29am | |
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Originally posted by Dubai Eagle
When you read the report on the Forest hearing it mentions several times that one of the things that the commission want to avoid is future situations where clubs can reliably forecast what penalty they will incur if they fall foul of the guidelines (by whatever amount) but its clear that even at these relatively early stages its already happening - IDK what the answer is but maybe part of the answer could be harsher sentences for repeat offenders ? I get the point but it means that the fans wont understand why one club gets treated differently to another and then we suspect the process. I would prefer a simple tariff system after all fans should be able to understand the rules. You then need to ensure that the tariff system doesn't reward rule breaking.
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silvertop Portishead 21 Mar 24 9.11am | |
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Originally posted by Badger11
If City by some miracle were relegated it still would not be a fair outcome. They would be back in the PL the following season whilst keeping all their trophies. A fair result would be that all their trophies should be cancelled and for every year they cheated they would incur a points deduction for each following season. So to be clear if they cheated for 10 years then for the following 10 years they should be penalised each season. Never going to happen of course, the most likely outcome is a one season penalty which their fans would take all day if they kept their trophies. People may scoff, but the fact that the regulator is now backed by statutory force, I suspect the Sheikh will not be able to buy his way out of this. Too many eyes on this. I would not be surprised if the FA "did a Rangers" and turfed them out of the professional league. EUFA may also ban them from European competition, but that would be a largely symbolic gesture given they are not going to qualify from the Conference. It would throw up a whole raft of issues - now academic - what their current owner does, a fire sale of the worlds most expensive talent (we would target their U21s), what happens to the power vacuum, what the prem will look like when they return in successive promotions, will they reclaim their top status...
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silvertop Portishead 21 Mar 24 9.17am | |
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Originally posted by Dubai Eagle
Apparently Chelsea referred themselves to the commission for transgressions during the Abramovic era, my guess is they did that because: a) They knew there were rules that had been broken & wanted to get ahead of the game, especially seeing the charges being levied against City - This would be the most significant factor. And it also suggests their legal advice is: you did it and any defence has no prospect of success. Mea culpa and acts of mitigation and they are likely to be treated much better than Man City who appear to have sought to cock-a-snoop, resist and ride their luck. But they should still be penalised in a way that genuinely hurts. You can't help but feel that Boehly has bought himself a pig in a poke.
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EagleinSF San Fransisco 21 Mar 24 1.53pm | |
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Originally posted by Dubai Eagle
IDK what the answer is but maybe part of the answer could be harsher sentences for repeat offenders ? I'd do a sliding scale from 6 - 12 points for the first offence and a 1 window transfer ban. 2nd offence double, 3rd triple etc. Maybe some teams would risk it once to stay up, but I don't think they'd repeat if it meant losing their PL status.
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