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MrRobbo Chaldon 12 Dec 23 9.17am | |
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Originally posted by SnapperKain
Anyone know of a bored, Palace supporting billionaire anywhere? How much cash has Neil Morrissey got lying around? Must of made a few quid from that Bob the Builder stuff... I get the point, and we are never going to have hundreds of million pounds of players sat on the bench, but its not an excuse to manage a squad as badly as we have. We've had 1 left back for what 3 seasons now, just hoping that he never gets injured. Genuinely how mad is that. Jairo is STILL on the payroll. Tomkins is STILL on the payroll. Clubs around us picked up decent loans, we got nobody. Clubs around us signed wide men for similar money to what we signed Franca for Although we got one, there were plenty of decent free transfers around. So no we don't have millions and millions, so we need to be smart. And we havent been. And also, selling players is a fact of life, strategically with his age, we should be actively looking to sell Anderson this summer to maximise his fee. So yeah, injuries are particularly bad at the moment, but we've done nothing to mitigate it.
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Willo South coast - west of Brighton. 12 Dec 23 9.30am | |
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Worry not dear friends - The Transfer Window opens in under 3 weeks !
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SnapperKain SE25 6PU 12 Dec 23 9.48am | |
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Originally posted by MrRobbo
I get the point, and we are never going to have hundreds of million pounds of players sat on the bench, but its not an excuse to manage a squad as badly as we have. We've had 1 left back for what 3 seasons now, just hoping that he never gets injured. Genuinely how mad is that. Jairo is STILL on the payroll. Tomkins is STILL on the payroll. Clubs around us picked up decent loans, we got nobody. Clubs around us signed wide men for similar money to what we signed Franca for Although we got one, there were plenty of decent free transfers around. So no we don't have millions and millions, so we need to be smart. And we havent been. And also, selling players is a fact of life, strategically with his age, we should be actively looking to sell Anderson this summer to maximise his fee. So yeah, injuries are particularly bad at the moment, but we've done nothing to mitigate it. You make a good point, I have no idea why we still have Ridewald or Tomkins at the club, Tomkins has done well for us in the past (when he's not injured) but he's not up to Prem level anymore and Ridewald... well he looks like a nice chap on a personal level, but that's not enough to be keeping him here and he's not up to it. You're right in that we're crying out for replacement/cover for both our full-backs, with needing someone up front for years and in retrospect, I don't get bringing Franca in if it would seem he's not first team ready for the amount we've paid. All the fanfare we had seemed to suggest he'd walk straight in... We could have done better in the last window and maybe had more loans lined up than just putting all our effort into getting Hall here, agree with that, and I can only think that we bought Holding in as they felt that Anderson was on his way to Newcastle as was the rumour at the time. At least Lerma was a decent signing. Kept thinking last season that we were lucky with injuries and felt we should have done more business in the loan market in the last window for extra cover. We've done alright in the past with bringing in Anderson, Guehi, Olise, Eze, Johnstone, Doucoure and then keeping hold of them in the last transfer window or two (imagine what we'd be saying if Olise had gone to Man City or Chelsea, although guess it might of freed up some transfer budget) and they were all positions that needed filling, but does feel that since then we've been treading water and if we'd gotten hold of just a decent right back and centre forward at least since then, then we'd be in a better state of affairs. Although I know I'm stating the bl00dy obvious there!
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Putitout Oxford 12 Dec 23 9.52am | |
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Originally posted by MrRobbo
I get the point, and we are never going to have hundreds of million pounds of players sat on the bench, but its not an excuse to manage a squad as badly as we have. We've had 1 left back for what 3 seasons now, just hoping that he never gets injured. Genuinely how mad is that. Jairo is STILL on the payroll. Tomkins is STILL on the payroll. Clubs around us picked up decent loans, we got nobody. Clubs around us signed wide men for similar money to what we signed Franca for Although we got one, there were plenty of decent free transfers around. So no we don't have millions and millions, so we need to be smart. And we havent been. And also, selling players is a fact of life, strategically with his age, we should be actively looking to sell Anderson this summer to maximise his fee. So yeah, injuries are particularly bad at the moment, but we've done nothing to mitigate it.
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taylors lovechild 12 Dec 23 9.55am | |
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Jairo is apparently a great personality and is good with the U21 players. The fact Richards is starting ahead of him tells you everything about how he's rated as a first-team player though. No idea why Tomkins was kept on other than possibly because he accepted a low wage? Relegation is suddenly looking like a very real possibility which in a strange way might not be a bad thing as it might force the board to act. If we were going into the new year with over 20 points on the board (which seems unlikely now) then they might be more conservative. They can't afford to be now, whether that's a couple of loans or permanent signings. With Ayew gone for AFCON in January they also need to act early. The only issue is with most clubs suffering significant injury lists they may be more reluctant to loan out senior players.
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EddieMac 12 Dec 23 10.05am | |
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Originally posted by taylors lovechild
Jairo is apparently a great personality and is good with the U21 players. The fact Richards is starting ahead of him tells you everything about how he's rated as a first-team player though. No idea why Tomkins was kept on other than possibly because he accepted a low wage? Relegation is suddenly looking like a very real possibility which in a strange way might not be a bad thing as it might force the board to act. If we were going into the new year with over 20 points on the board (which seems unlikely now) then they might be more conservative. They can't afford to be now, whether that's a couple of loans or permanent signings. With Ayew gone for AFCON in January they also need to act early. The only issue is with most clubs suffering significant injury lists they may be more reluctant to loan out senior players. I agree with this statement. As awful as this season is, It is probably a blessing in disguise that we are close to relegation spots as it will force the hand of the owners to do some business in January.
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Nicholas91 The Democratic Republic of Kent 12 Dec 23 10.07am | |
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Originally posted by EddieMac
I agree with this statement. As awful as this season is, It is probably a blessing in disguise that we are close to relegation spots as it will force the hand of the owners to do some business in January. I'm not banking on it however this is my hope!
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Elpis In a pub 12 Dec 23 10.21am | |
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Originally posted by Willo
Worry not dear friends - The Transfer Window opens in under 3 weeks !
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Willo South coast - west of Brighton. 12 Dec 23 10.31am | |
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Originally posted by Elpis
I feel confident that there will be additions in the Transfer Window.
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palace99 New Mills 12 Dec 23 11.02am | |
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Originally posted by taylors lovechild
Jairo is apparently a great personality and is good with the U21 players. The fact Richards is starting ahead of him tells you everything about how he's rated as a first-team player though. No idea why Tomkins was kept on other than possibly because he accepted a low wage? Relegation is suddenly looking like a very real possibility which in a strange way might not be a bad thing as it might force the board to act. If we were going into the new year with over 20 points on the board (which seems unlikely now) then they might be more conservative. They can't afford to be now, whether that's a couple of loans or permanent signings. With Ayew gone for AFCON in January they also need to act early. The only issue is with most clubs suffering significant injury lists they may be more reluctant to loan out senior players. Palace have one of the highest wage bills (as a % of revenue) in the Prem and this has limited our transfer activity over the years. Transfer fees are only 1 part of the total player package and so SP must take some of the blame for paying too much and giving players too long contracts. Similarly the big purchases and wages of Benteke and Sakho restricted our transfer activity for the next 4 or so years. Jairo is a classic example. He is in his 7th season with the club yet has only played 70 odd league games, and many of those were as sub. To give him a 2 year extension when he still had 18 months left of his original contract was bizarre. Tomkins is the same. Has now rarely played for the last 4 years (including the season before MG and Andersen were signed), and when he has, has looked off the pace, but keeps getting renewed. When i look at players like Hughes i can see why Watford weren't prepared to give him a payrise and he left to come to us. He's 28 and should be at his peak. He should definitely be able to cover for Doucoure, yet he's so off the pace it's embarrassing. When you buy players from Arsenal and Man U (Holding and Hendersen) you know they will be on big wages so to give them parity they need to be first teamers. The fact neither has played 1 minute of league football for us speaks volumes. Yes we have injuries in midfield but on paper this is probably the area we have the most cover - the fact they are not good enough is the issue. CM - Doucoure and Lerma are first choices. Options include Schlupp, Hughes, Jairo, Ahamada and also young Ozoh. The 1st 3 are all on over £50k a week and the 4th cost over £10m.
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Pete53 Hassocks 12 Dec 23 11.06am | |
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Originally posted by beak
That Dutch guy ,i play De boring football,what happened to him. A record of 7played ,seven lost now that is very exciting. To be fair to Frank he was only around for the first four of those defeats. Roy oversaw the next three.
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Mr Palaceman 12 Dec 23 11.40am | |
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Originally posted by palace99
Palace have one of the highest wage bills (as a % of revenue) in the Prem and this has limited our transfer activity over the years. Transfer fees are only 1 part of the total player package and so SP must take some of the blame for paying too much and giving players too long contracts. Similarly the big purchases and wages of Benteke and Sakho restricted our transfer activity for the next 4 or so years. Jairo is a classic example. He is in his 7th season with the club yet has only played 70 odd league games, and many of those were as sub. To give him a 2 year extension when he still had 18 months left of his original contract was bizarre. Tomkins is the same. Has now rarely played for the last 4 years (including the season before MG and Andersen were signed), and when he has, has looked off the pace, but keeps getting renewed. When i look at players like Hughes i can see why Watford weren't prepared to give him a payrise and he left to come to us. He's 28 and should be at his peak. He should definitely be able to cover for Doucoure, yet he's so off the pace it's embarrassing. When you buy players from Arsenal and Man U (Holding and Hendersen) you know they will be on big wages so to give them parity they need to be first teamers. The fact neither has played 1 minute of league football for us speaks volumes. Yes we have injuries in midfield but on paper this is probably the area we have the most cover - the fact they are not good enough is the issue. CM - Doucoure and Lerma are first choices. Options include Schlupp, Hughes, Jairo, Ahamada and also young Ozoh. The 1st 3 are all on over £50k a week and the 4th cost over £10m.
So why have Palace got one of the highest wage burdens? It's because you have to pay higher wage to get players to a club like Palace. We just aren't a fashionable club, compared to those around us. That instantly puts a premium on a players wage here. Roy Hodgson talks about this in the last FYP interview. He explains that when he was manager at Blackburn, they would identify good players to buy but they didn't want to come to the club. So you have to offer a higher wage and to keep what you have, you tie players into longer contracts. Personally, I don't think we are in danger of going down. If we can sign a couple of goodish players in January, for cover, great but, I'm not to optimistic about that. All the clubs around us will be in the same position. My fear is losing the good players we have because even with the money, it will be near impossible to find the like to replace them. We would have to take a punt and in the following season the fans would only moan about why did we buy this player or that player and on such a high wage... Finding players for a club like us very difficult. All we have is a good fanbase and players seem to like it here. If we do get the new stand built, that will help.. A little bit.
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