Civilians are not animals.

As predicted, guilty or innocent....it doesn't matter to either side.

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Edited by Stirlingsays (09 Oct 2023 3.11pm)

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

Not surprised. The fact that so many rockets have been fired from Gaza into Israel implies that this is part of an overall plan to potentially destroy Israel. Hamas rockets are already being fired in numbers that can overpower the Iron Dome system (I'm not sure how this works but I assume there is a finite number that can be fired in defence). At that point further rockets will be able to enter Israel airspace unhindered. This is potentially where Hezbollah launches a second front from the North onto unprotected land. This may be why Uncle Joe has ordered assets into the Western portion of the Med to act as a counterbalance. Both Lebanon and Gaza could be absolutely obliterated if Israel and the USA feel so threatened as to carry out that act as both don't have any effective defence mechanism; they are attack-minded only.

hats off to palace, they were always gonna be louder, and hate to say it but they were impressive ALL bouncing and singing.

It sickens me that when the West has people slaugherted at music events it is all candle lighting and holding hands whilst proclaiming solidarity with the client group from which the terrorists came but when it happens in Israel you don't hear a peep of anger when they decide to punish millions by cutting their water supply off because they happen to share the same religious beliefs.

And then the same people in many cases who cheered on mass Islamic immigration into Europe then act all shocked when those Islamic migrants go onto European streets and celebrate what happened.

It is weird. Like they never actually grasped the concept of Ummah. When you see Muslims on Europeans streets supporting what happened, that is perfectly in line with their belief system. And Lefties champion that.

Makes sure everyone of them you know own this s***.

"The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command." - 1984 - George Orwell.

You are talking about two sides of the same problem.

The Jews are paranoid and bitter about their past, and doggedly determined to defend their Israel against any enemy. The Arabs resent the incursion and hate Jews full stop.

Beyond the generalisation, we have Hamas, who are happy to see hundreds if not thousands of their own people slaughtered to undermine Israel. Their torture murder and kidnapping of young Israelis is a clear indication of the heathen mentality of Hamas and those who do its bidding. There can be no excuses. No one in the West should shed a tear for them or anyone supporting or complicit with their actions.
Meanwhile, I have no sympathy for Israel either. They created this mess along with their western friends.
Bottom line is that when push comes to shove, the West choose a Jewish nation over Muslim ones and with good reason. It is a question of the least bad option to some extent, but ultimately, we have far more in common with the Jew than with the Muslim.

Unfortunately, when our friends behave badly, we have to turn a blind eye. After the events of the last few days, perhaps we might even have a little more sympathy for their ruthless defence and expansion of Israel territory.
Will that last when we see the piles of dead Palestinian women and children soon to hit our screens?

I rather agree with Josh Wheatley's take, which I will paste here:

Your opinion on Israel/Palestine will not change the trajectory of a single bullet.

But the strength of the reaction to footage of Hamas' terrorist attack will increase the number of people killed in Gaza over the coming weeks.

Put simply, Israel's counter-offensive will continue until the political cost of collateral damage becomes too great. By the time it ends, much of the sympathy and goodwill gained from last weekend's atrocities will have been spent by cynical politicians on stone-ageing Gaza.

Perhaps you believe that's the fate that Gaza deserves. Certainly the terrorists who killed and captured concert-goers on Saturday deserve little mercy. But if you extend that collective guilt to the whole of Gaza, or the whole Muslim world, then that's the sort of crazy talk that causes atrocities like Saturday's in the first place.

I believe we should lament the senseless killing of innocent people in a Middle Eastern ethnic conflict without making it the foundation for perspectives on geopolitics of the Middle East.

Those who were shocked by Hamas' actions were not paying attention to what Islamism is. Similar atrocities have been happening quietly in Europe for a while now, mostly on a smaller scale, targeting Jews and Christians alike. The rallies in support of Hamas that we saw on British streets should serve as a sobering reminder that foreign conflicts do not remain foreign for long in an Open Borders society.

If you want an opinion that will change something, focus on securing Britain's borders - not Israel's. Israel will look after its own, and so should we.

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

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Doesn't take long for the clowns to compare anything to Nazis/Hitler.

"Current indiscriminate killing of Palastinians". Who started the conflict on Saturday? Did Israel enter Gaza and kill a load of young people at a music festival? Do Hamas send warnings to Israelis that they're going to fire missiles at an area?

"Genocide", "Nazis". The words an antisemite uses when they want to downplay what happened in the Holocaust or build up what's happening in Gaza. Pathetic.

If the Palastinians want freedom they simply need to vote for a political party whose ideology isn't to wipe Jews off the face of the earth. Pretty fair request no?

Where were you when Azerbaijan was killing Armenians? Or were they not part of the right group?

The protests outside the Israeli embassy won’t be repeated; the crowd will be travelling to Palestine soon to free it, although I could be wrong and they will continue to cowardly hide behind the freedoms of the West that they so despise.

hats off to palace, they were always gonna be louder, and hate to say it but they were impressive ALL bouncing and singing.