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 PalazioVecchio  south pole 31 Dec 23 3.00pm |
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cryrst  The garden of England 31 Dec 23 3.37pm |
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Originally posted by Matov
Makes sense. Plus you have the election before the invasion on the south coast ramps up again. But I also suspect a lot of Tory MP's might want to drag out the pay-cheques. I would tend to reckon it at 65-35 for May over November. I thought losing mps get 2 years wages to aclimatise if that’s absolutely necessary as most are minted with other projects on going.
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Matov  01 Jan 24 9.59am |
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Originally posted by cryrst
I thought losing mps get 2 years wages to aclimatise if that’s absolutely necessary as most are minted with other projects on going. For the vast majority of them, becoming an MP is the pinnacle of their careers, lives even. What they have striven for since, in many cases, their teenage years. Made huge sacrifices and put in a lot of effort to get to Westminster. And once there, at the heart of the power they clearly wanted so bad. Never underestimate all that 'Will to Power' malarkey and people not wanting to give that up easily. Lots of political memoirs talk about them becoming almost addicted to the Westminster way of life with a lot of those on the Left becoming almost more enamored with the institutions that prior to them being elected they claimed to have despised than those on the Right. To just give that up, especially when you know that you are on a hiding to nothing, probably does not come easy for a lot of them.
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| orpingtoneagle Orpington 01 Jan 24 10.21am |
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Originally posted by Matov
For the vast majority of them, becoming an MP is the pinnacle of their careers, lives even. What they have striven for since, in many cases, their teenage years. Made huge sacrifices and put in a lot of effort to get to Westminster. And once there, at the heart of the power they clearly wanted so bad. Never underestimate all that 'Will to Power' malarkey and people not wanting to give that up easily. Lots of political memoirs talk about them becoming almost addicted to the Westminster way of life with a lot of those on the Left becoming almost more enamored with the institutions that prior to them being elected they claimed to have despised than those on the Right. To just give that up, especially when you know that you are on a hiding to nothing, probably does not come easy for a lot of them. Most want to cling to power because it is a gravy train. Not just for them but as they employ family and friends as assistants and get young star struck interns to do the real work for no pay. Also any other jobs, simply declare them and keep the money flowing in. I think this applies to all parties and in my experience ( I have worked in the Westminster bubble for many years,I see no difference between all parties, they want to carry on, ideally with a nice seat in the Lords where you get a cash bung for simply signing in. Bit General.Election? Going to be interesting. Boris won over a lot of seats (Red Wall for example,) where the voters simply have not warmed to Sunak. There is the further right wing of the Tories who see themselves as the true believers (possibly looking to Suella or JRM as a talisman,) There are still factions within Labour and I would not rule out the Lib Dems in certain areas. We wil see a giveaway budget in March and the fact that thos has been brought forward I reckon means an election in May
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| Badger11 Beckenham 01 Jan 24 10.31am |
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Originally posted by Matov
For the vast majority of them, becoming an MP is the pinnacle of their careers, lives even. What they have striven for since, in many cases, their teenage years. Made huge sacrifices and put in a lot of effort to get to Westminster. And once there, at the heart of the power they clearly wanted so bad. Never underestimate all that 'Will to Power' malarkey and people not wanting to give that up easily. Lots of political memoirs talk about them becoming almost addicted to the Westminster way of life with a lot of those on the Left becoming almost more enamored with the institutions that prior to them being elected they claimed to have despised than those on the Right. To just give that up, especially when you know that you are on a hiding to nothing, probably does not come easy for a lot of them. Starmer has said he will abolish the House of Lords which I agree with. However the latest U turn from him is he is now considering a compulsory retirement age. What a joke so much for Labour being the party of the people. Edited by Badger11 (01 Jan 2024 10.31am)
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| cryrst The garden of England 01 Jan 24 10.34am |
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Originally posted by Badger11
Starmer has said he will abolish the House of Lords which I agree with. However the latest U turn from him is he is now considering a compulsory retirement age. What a joke so much for Labour being the party of the people. Edited by Badger11 (01 Jan 2024 10.31am) Yup, that being death or some form of dementia. Either way they wouldn’t have a clue
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| PalazioVecchio south pole 01 Jan 24 1.10pm |
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Originally posted by Badger11
Starmer........ is now considering a compulsory retirement age. Edited by Badger11 (01 Jan 2024 10.31am) thus lowering the tax-take and increasing the number of people on benefits. Lovely. Just what the country needs. i recently watched a documentary about a Heart surgeon in the States, still working at age 88. A brilliant man who had saved the lives of hundreds. Starmer would put him to pasture at age 67 ? instead of 'compulsory retirement' we need 'compulsory work' for the lazy feckless longterm unemployed. People living in Stoke on Trent & Blackpool......a kick up the hole is what they 'need'.
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| Willo South coast - west of Brighton. 01 Jan 24 2.33pm |
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Originally posted by Badger11
Jim Callaghan faced the same problem. His government wasn't popular so did he hang on to the grim death or go 6 months earlier. He chose to hang on and things got worse and he lost. My guess is that Sunak will go earlier: If he waits until Autumn the voters will feel the impact of the budget (not a giveaway) we will have had a year of almost endless election talk and I suspect the voters will be fed up just wanting to get it over with. See Brenda from Bristol "You’re joking? Not another one!” It is a risk going early as you may lose and gift an economy on the up to the opposition. However it is a greater risk to go later and lose because people are just fed up up with the media electioneering. I believe a General Election in November is likely.
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| Matov 01 Jan 24 2.46pm |
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Originally posted by Willo
I believe a General Election in November is likely.
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| orpingtoneagle Orpington 01 Jan 24 8.24pm |
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Originally posted by cryrst
Yup, that being death or some form of dementia. Either way they wouldn’t have a clue Certain roles do probably either require some form of compulsory retirement, say on the grounds of fitness or eyesight - knowing how bad my eyesight is getting (either that or my arms are just not long enough...) I would not want say a pilot who struggled to see. But a universal and compulsory date would breach age discrimination and this be illegal (unless we go down the current government route of legislation that has little basis in fact. But at my age the closer I get to retirement the more I am looking forward to it
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| Badger11 Beckenham 02 Jan 24 9.01am |
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Originally posted by orpingtoneagle
Certain roles do probably either require some form of compulsory retirement, say on the grounds of fitness or eyesight - knowing how bad my eyesight is getting (either that or my arms are just not long enough...) I would not want say a pilot who struggled to see. But a universal and compulsory date would breach age discrimination and this be illegal (unless we go down the current government route of legislation that has little basis in fact. But at my age the closer I get to retirement the more I am looking forward to it How does Starmer get from abolish the House of Lords to ok okay lets have a mandatory retirement age. Edited by Badger11 (02 Jan 2024 9.02am)
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 robdave2k 02 Jan 24 9.19am |
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Originally posted by Badger11
How does Starmer get from abolish the House of Lords to ok okay lets have a mandatory retirement age. Edited by Badger11 (02 Jan 2024 9.02am) Average age of the House of Lords - 71. So same thing really :-)
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