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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 28 Aug 23 11.11pm | |
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Originally posted by Forest Hillbilly
That's politics dictating policing policy,.....not the judiciary. The police are responsible to us, via our elected representatives. So of course their policy is impacted by politics. How could it not be. It has nothing to do with the Judiciary though, which was what was claimed.
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eaglesdare 28 Aug 23 11.17pm | |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
Of course it doesn’t, It’s because of what they are that does that. Like I said just because you don't like my views doesn't make them conspiracy theories.
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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 28 Aug 23 11.30pm | |
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In another thread a wholly inappropriate remark was made about the so called “Russiagate” affair and the oft repeated falsehood made again that nothing came of it. This is untrue. The Mueller report resulted in several convictions and a very carefully worded statement about Trump which indicated that indictments of a sitting President were not possible as determined by the then AJ Bill Barr. Trump claiming he was exonerated was another of his big lies. The truth is he wasn’t charged, which is very different. Those files still exist and are, I understand, in New York in a place that the Federal authorities cannot access. Whether they are ever needed again is a matter for conjecture. Whether they will turn up as supporting evidence in one of the other cases seems possible. For sure Smith is aware of them and what they contain. Maybe another case is being prepared in New York, for there must be something Trump did there for that to be where they were sent. So for nothing to have resulted from “Russiagate” is quite a presumptive conclusion. As I have said many times, be patient. The chickens are all coming home to roost. This might be the last to fly in before the hutch gets slammed shut.
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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 28 Aug 23 11.35pm | |
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Originally posted by eaglesdare
Like I said just because you don't like my views doesn't make them conspiracy theories. What’s your problem? I just agreed with you. It has nothing to with the fact I don’t like your views. I might love them but they would still be at risk of being conspiracy theories. There’s no connection.
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Stirlingsays 29 Aug 23 1.36am | |
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Trump's 'J6th' trial in Washington D.C. is set for March 4, 2024, one day before 'Super Tuesday' primaries and caucuses. So transparent they don't even try to hide it anymore.
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Badger11 Beckenham 29 Aug 23 7.29am | |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
The police are responsible to us, via our elected representatives. So of course their policy is impacted by politics. How could it not be. It has nothing to do with the Judiciary though, which was what was claimed. In the US the justice system has long been politicised. District Attorney is an elected position that politicians use as a springboard for Senator or Governor. Judges are often elected and so make decisions with one eye on the electorate.
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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 29 Aug 23 8.40am | |
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Originally posted by Badger11
In the US the justice system has long been politicised. District Attorney is an elected position that politicians use as a springboard for Senator or Governor. Judges are often elected and so make decisions with one eye on the electorate. Not here though thankfully! In the USA any Judge still has to apply the law. Their appointment seems to be on a very inconsistent basis and varies State by State although the Judicial branch is appointed by the President and confirmed by the Senate. I don’t see politics influencing the application of the law. I do see politicians appointing Judges whose reputation is more in line with their outlook, especially at Supreme Court level where more nuanced decisions about the interpretation of their Constitution are often at issue.
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Forest Hillbilly in a hidey-hole 29 Aug 23 8.48am | |
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Badger11 Beckenham 29 Aug 23 8.54am | |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
Not here though thankfully! In the USA any Judge still has to apply the law. Their appointment seems to be on a very inconsistent basis and varies State by State although the Judicial branch is appointed by the President and confirmed by the Senate. I don’t see politics influencing the application of the law. I do see politicians appointing Judges whose reputation is more in line with their outlook, especially at Supreme Court level where more nuanced decisions about the interpretation of their Constitution are often at issue. Of course not so judge shopping never happens in the US. When Trump was in power the Democrats got a restraining order over the Mexican border / wall / migrants issue. Where did they go for that Texas? Arizona? New Mexico? California e.g. border states err no Hawaii for obvious reasons. This is nothing new so it's no Trump specific but please don't tell me that the judicial system isn't weaponised by politics. Oh yeah and then there is the friendly DA giving Hunter Biden a sweetheart deal.
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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 29 Aug 23 9.03am | |
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Some here seem to believe Trump’s claims, as obviously his sycophantic base do, that the indictments he faces and the timing of the court cases, are all down to his political opponents. This is so obviously untrue I find it amazing that anyone in the uk buys into such absurdity. If he hadn’t done anything wrong then the the grand juries would not have allowed the cases to proceed. They have decided there are cases to answer, not any politician. Once decided I am relieved to see the absence of political influence, rather than any evidence of it. He is being treated just as anyone else facing criminal charges would be. The fact that he is an ex President and a candidate for the next Presidential election must not be allowed to make the slightest difference to that. The law must apply fairly and equally to all. So should special consideration be given to the potential difficulties he might face with his campaign and the timing of the cases adjusted to avoid them this would be politics influencing justice. So setting a March 4th date for the beginning of the trial about the attempt to overturn the 2020 election and ignoring anything else, like the “Super Tuesday” primaries, is evidence of a lack of political influence, not of it.
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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 29 Aug 23 9.10am | |
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Originally posted by Badger11
Of course not so judge shopping never happens in the US. When Trump was in power the Democrats got a restraining order over the Mexican border / wall / migrants issue. Where did they go for that Texas? Arizona? New Mexico? California e.g. border states err no Hawaii for obvious reasons. This is nothing new so it's no Trump specific but please don't tell me that the judicial system isn't weaponised by politics. Oh yeah and then there is the friendly DA giving Hunter Biden a sweetheart deal.
What you describe is different. It’s politicians using their knowledge of how various jurisdictions apply the law to their advantage. What I am talking about is direct political interference in how the law is applied. I think the idea that a “sweetheart” deal was arranged for Hunter Biden is a myth. One widely believed by those who seek mud to throw at his father but a myth nonetheless. It doesn’t match the evidence.
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eaglesdare 31 Aug 23 10.30am | |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
Some here seem to believe Trump’s claims, as obviously his sycophantic base do, that the indictments he faces and the timing of the court cases, are all down to his political opponents. This is so obviously untrue I find it amazing that anyone in the uk buys into such absurdity. If he hadn’t done anything wrong then the the grand juries would not have allowed the cases to proceed. They have decided there are cases to answer, not any politician. Once decided I am relieved to see the absence of political influence, rather than any evidence of it. He is being treated just as anyone else facing criminal charges would be. The fact that he is an ex President and a candidate for the next Presidential election must not be allowed to make the slightest difference to that. The law must apply fairly and equally to all. So should special consideration be given to the potential difficulties he might face with his campaign and the timing of the cases adjusted to avoid them this would be politics influencing justice. So setting a March 4th date for the beginning of the trial about the attempt to overturn the 2020 election and ignoring anything else, like the “Super Tuesday” primaries, is evidence of a lack of political influence, not of it.
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