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EverybodyDannsNow SE19 27 Sep 23 10.45am
We've handled him really poorly this summer - feels like we're sacrificing his development (with another loan) to plug the glaring holes in our squad. If he can't get PL minutes with Olise and Franca injured, he's certainly not going to get any once their fit, so it's a baffling decision to not loan him out.
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We've handled him really poorly this summer - feels like we're sacrificing his development (with another loan) to plug the glaring holes in our squad.

If he can't get PL minutes with Olise and Franca injured, he's certainly not going to get any once their fit, so it's a baffling decision to not loan him out.

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EverybodyDannsNow SE19 27 Sep 23 10.47am
Originally posted by Elpis The coaching staff have been working on his defensive game it would seem . Can't have any compliants with that side of his game and thought he did all that would have been expected in that department . In fact it was on the other side of the pitch where Ayew was a bit off the pace where utd found the holes His offensive play though was awful , the reason we couldnt get out of our half was his first touch which coupled with Mateta being of simlar vien meant utd retaining possession for long periods . I was looking forward to my first real good look at JRS when I saw he was starting and given his fan base on here from some who have seen more of him was expecting a bit more Lets hope he just had an off night , a repeat of that could see him going back to Charlton Permanently . United were overloading that side with Hannibal, Dalot and Pellestri up against Ayew and Mitchell meaning there was always a spare man - it was a tactical issue, nothing to do with Ayew's application.
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EverybodyDannsNow

SE19 27 Sep 23 10.47am

Originally posted by Elpis

The coaching staff have been working on his defensive game it would seem . Can't have any compliants with that side of his game and thought he did all that would have been expected in that department . In fact it was on the other side of the pitch where Ayew was a bit off the pace where utd found the holes

His offensive play though was awful , the reason we couldnt get out of our half was his first touch which coupled with Mateta being of simlar vien meant utd retaining possession for long periods .

I was looking forward to my first real good look at JRS when I saw he was starting and given his fan base on here from some who have seen more of him was expecting a bit more
Lets hope he just had an off night , a repeat of that could see him going back to Charlton

Permanently .

United were overloading that side with Hannibal, Dalot and Pellestri up against Ayew and Mitchell meaning there was always a spare man - it was a tactical issue, nothing to do with Ayew's application.

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MrRobbo Chaldon 27 Sep 23 11.26am
Originally posted by EverybodyDannsNow We've handled him really poorly this summer - feels like we're sacrificing his development (with another loan) to plug the glaring holes in our squad. If he can't get PL minutes with Olise and Franca injured, he's certainly not going to get any once their fit, so it's a baffling decision to not loan him out. indeed. Give him a crack or let him go out on loan again.
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Chaldon 27 Sep 23 11.26am

Originally posted by EverybodyDannsNow

We've handled him really poorly this summer - feels like we're sacrificing his development (with another loan) to plug the glaring holes in our squad.

If he can't get PL minutes with Olise and Franca injured, he's certainly not going to get any once their fit, so it's a baffling decision to not loan him out.

indeed. Give him a crack or let him go out on loan again.

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NEILLO Shoreham-by-Sea 27 Sep 23 11.49am
Originally posted by EverybodyDannsNow We've handled him really poorly this summer - feels like we're sacrificing his development (with another loan) to plug the glaring holes in our squad. If he can't get PL minutes with Olise and Franca injured, he's certainly not going to get any once their fit, so it's a baffling decision to not loan him out. For every supporter that thinks he should have gone out on another loan there's probably another that says he should stay and wait for his chance. When Olise was first available after injury he wasn't rushed into the starting line up. He developed through training and minutes here and there. We could see the same approach used for Jes. I don't disagree that the size of the squad may have informed the decision to keep him. But it's now down to the player to play his way into selection. Old, Ungifted and White
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Shoreham-by-Sea 27 Sep 23 11.49am

Originally posted by EverybodyDannsNow

We've handled him really poorly this summer - feels like we're sacrificing his development (with another loan) to plug the glaring holes in our squad.

If he can't get PL minutes with Olise and Franca injured, he's certainly not going to get any once their fit, so it's a baffling decision to not loan him out.

For every supporter that thinks he should have gone out on another loan there's probably another that says he should stay and wait for his chance.

When Olise was first available after injury he wasn't rushed into the starting line up. He developed through training and minutes here and there. We could see the same approach used for Jes.

I don't disagree that the size of the squad may have informed the decision to keep him. But it's now down to the player to play his way into selection.

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EverybodyDannsNow SE19 27 Sep 23 12.11pm
Originally posted by NEILLO For every supporter that thinks he should have gone out on another loan there's probably another that says he should stay and wait for his chance. When Olise was first available after injury he wasn't rushed into the starting line up. He developed through training and minutes here and there. We could see the same approach used for Jes. I don't disagree that the size of the squad may have informed the decision to keep him. But it's now down to the player to play his way into selection. My point is we're stuck between the two at the moment - we didn't loan him out, but aren't playing him either, which is the worst option for a player of his age. I do agree JRS should bear some personal responsibility though - early round cup games like last night are big opportunities for youngsters and squad players to give the manager a decision to make in the league, and he couldn't have done much less with his chance - he probably knows that as well. Olise had already torn up the Championship by the time he joined us, JRS is completely unproven at that level, so I don't think it's that close a comparison.
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EverybodyDannsNow

SE19 27 Sep 23 12.11pm

Originally posted by NEILLO

For every supporter that thinks he should have gone out on another loan there's probably another that says he should stay and wait for his chance.

When Olise was first available after injury he wasn't rushed into the starting line up. He developed through training and minutes here and there. We could see the same approach used for Jes.

I don't disagree that the size of the squad may have informed the decision to keep him. But it's now down to the player to play his way into selection.

My point is we're stuck between the two at the moment - we didn't loan him out, but aren't playing him either, which is the worst option for a player of his age.

I do agree JRS should bear some personal responsibility though - early round cup games like last night are big opportunities for youngsters and squad players to give the manager a decision to make in the league, and he couldn't have done much less with his chance - he probably knows that as well.

Olise had already torn up the Championship by the time he joined us, JRS is completely unproven at that level, so I don't think it's that close a comparison.

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MrRobbo Chaldon 27 Sep 23 12.16pm
Originally posted by NEILLO For every supporter that thinks he should have gone out on another loan there's probably another that says he should stay and wait for his chance. When Olise was first available after injury he wasn't rushed into the starting line up. He developed through training and minutes here and there. We could see the same approach used for Jes. I don't disagree that the size of the squad may have informed the decision to keep him. But it's now down to the player to play his way into selection. Only difference is that Olise had Championship experience under his belt and was touted as one of hte hottest prospects outside of the Prem. Not that he cant or wont get there, but JRS isn't at that level yet. IMO games in the championship is the quickest way for him to get there. Not the odd 5 mins here and there
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MrRobbo

Chaldon 27 Sep 23 12.16pm

Originally posted by NEILLO

For every supporter that thinks he should have gone out on another loan there's probably another that says he should stay and wait for his chance.

When Olise was first available after injury he wasn't rushed into the starting line up. He developed through training and minutes here and there. We could see the same approach used for Jes.

I don't disagree that the size of the squad may have informed the decision to keep him. But it's now down to the player to play his way into selection.

Only difference is that Olise had Championship experience under his belt and was touted as one of hte hottest prospects outside of the Prem.

Not that he cant or wont get there, but JRS isn't at that level yet.

IMO games in the championship is the quickest way for him to get there. Not the odd 5 mins here and there

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Elpis In a pub 27 Sep 23 1.04pm
Originally posted by EverybodyDannsNow United were overloading that side with Hannibal, Dalot and Pellestri up against Ayew and Mitchell meaning there was always a spare man - it was a tactical issue, nothing to do with Ayew's application. Indeed they were , because there was a lot space in front of Mitchell to overload into . Im not questioning Ayews application ,he just wasnt on it as normal (a charge that could be levelled at others ) which isn't suprising as the game was a lost cause before it had even begun
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Elpis

In a pub 27 Sep 23 1.04pm

Originally posted by EverybodyDannsNow

Indeed they were , because there was a lot space in front of Mitchell to overload into . Im not questioning Ayews application ,he just wasnt on it as normal (a charge that could be levelled at others ) which isn't suprising as the game was a lost cause before it had even begun

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PatrickA London 27 Sep 23 1.26pm
Roy is first and foremost a pragmatist who strives to find the best methods to achieve results. Generally speaking this has served him well in his career , without necessarily achieving the heights of the real elite managers. This pragmatism means he will actively select players who give at least 7 out of 10 performances most weeks. The archetypal Hodgson player is McArthur who was really consistent in performance. We are fortunate at the moment to have a number of consistent performers who will always play when fit. At the moment JRS doesn’t fit into this category, and perhaps it would be unreasonable to expect him to at this early stage. However, it does explain why he is restricted to cameo appearances and he probably wouldn’t even get these if we had a full squad. If we do get players back fit, I fully expect him to go on loan in January, but I do understand why we didn’t let him go in the early part of the season. After all, we’re already resorting to naming 2 keepers to make up numbers on the bench.
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London 27 Sep 23 1.26pm

Roy is first and foremost a pragmatist who strives to find the best methods to achieve results.
Generally speaking this has served him well in his career , without necessarily achieving the heights of the real elite managers.
This pragmatism means he will actively select players who give at least 7 out of 10 performances most weeks.
The archetypal Hodgson player is McArthur who was really consistent in performance.
We are fortunate at the moment to have a number of consistent performers who will always play when fit.
At the moment JRS doesn’t fit into this category, and perhaps it would be unreasonable to expect him to at this early stage.
However, it does explain why he is restricted to cameo appearances and he probably wouldn’t even get these if we had a full squad.
If we do get players back fit, I fully expect him to go on loan in January, but I do understand why we didn’t let him go in the early part of the season.
After all, we’re already resorting to naming 2 keepers to make up numbers on the bench.

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Den1923 27 Sep 23 2.46pm
The club should be ashamed of themselves, they are sacrificing his development by paying him sit-down money so he can polish his rump in order to make up the numbers on the bench, he is woefully out of his depth when allowed in to the game for a couple of minutes. The lad is clearly a long way from being anywhere near EPL standard and should be out on loan in the championship earning his spurs. Exposing him to the EPL when he is not ready will destroy his confidence and in all probability ruin him. I know many on here think is the messiah and the answer to all our problems but in reality nothing could be further from the truth.
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27 Sep 23 2.46pm

The club should be ashamed of themselves, they are sacrificing his development by paying him sit-down money so he can polish his rump
in order to make up the numbers on the bench, he is woefully out of his depth when allowed in to the game for a couple of minutes. The lad is clearly a long way from being anywhere near EPL standard and should be out on loan in the championship earning his spurs. Exposing him to the EPL when he is not ready will destroy his confidence and in all probability ruin him. I know many on here think is the messiah and the answer to all our problems but in reality nothing could be further from the truth.

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Putitout Oxford 27 Sep 23 2.57pm
Originally posted by Den1923 The club should be ashamed of themselves, they are sacrificing his development by paying him sit-down money so he can polish his rump in order to make up the numbers on the bench, he is woefully out of his depth when allowed in to the game for a couple of minutes. The lad is clearly a long way from being anywhere near EPL standard and should be out on loan in the championship earning his spurs. Exposing him to the EPL when he is not ready will destroy his confidence and in all probability ruin him. I know many on here think is the messiah and the answer to all our problems but in reality nothing could be further from the truth. That’s about it Den. It’s always nice to see them succeed ,but it’s clear he isn’t yet ready., and not just because of one 45 minute run out, but the fact that since coming back from Charlton he hasn’t at any time looked like he was.
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Putitout

Oxford 27 Sep 23 2.57pm

Originally posted by Den1923

That’s about it Den. It’s always nice to see them succeed ,but it’s clear he isn’t yet ready., and not just because of one 45 minute run out, but the fact that since coming back from Charlton he hasn’t at any time looked like he was.

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Goal Machine The Cronx 27 Sep 23 3.00pm
Originally posted by EverybodyDannsNow We've handled him really poorly this summer - feels like we're sacrificing his development (with another loan) to plug the glaring holes in our squad. If he can't get PL minutes with Olise and Franca injured, he's certainly not going to get any once their fit, so it's a baffling decision to not loan him out. My thoughts are that we might need him whilst Franca and Olise are crocked. When those two are back, he'll probably be sent out on loan in January. Last night cemented my view that he ain't anywhere near good enough yet. Needs to perform well in the Championship for a full season to see if he's up to it. If so, he will have earned his chance. He's got a long way to go until he's on par with the likes of Olise, Eze, Ayew and presumably Franca. From the short cameos I've seen of Ebiowei, I think he looks a better prospect. I'm not sure on the loan rules outside the transfer window, I guess he'll have to wait until January?
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The Cronx 27 Sep 23 3.00pm

Originally posted by EverybodyDannsNow

We've handled him really poorly this summer - feels like we're sacrificing his development (with another loan) to plug the glaring holes in our squad.

If he can't get PL minutes with Olise and Franca injured, he's certainly not going to get any once their fit, so it's a baffling decision to not loan him out.

My thoughts are that we might need him whilst Franca and Olise are crocked. When those two are back, he'll probably be sent out on loan in January.

Last night cemented my view that he ain't anywhere near good enough yet. Needs to perform well in the Championship for a full season to see if he's up to it. If so, he will have earned his chance. He's got a long way to go until he's on par with the likes of Olise, Eze, Ayew and presumably Franca.

From the short cameos I've seen of Ebiowei, I think he looks a better prospect.

I'm not sure on the loan rules outside the transfer window, I guess he'll have to wait until January?

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EverybodyDannsNow SE19 27 Sep 23 3.27pm
Originally posted by Putitout That’s about it Den. It’s always nice to see them succeed ,but it’s clear he isn’t yet ready., and not just because of one 45 minute run out, but the fact that since coming back from Charlton he hasn’t at any time looked like he was. He's played a combined 10 minutes in the league
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EverybodyDannsNow

SE19 27 Sep 23 3.27pm

Originally posted by Putitout

He's played a combined 10 minutes in the league

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