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Coutts VS Nigel Farage
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 Wisbech Eagle  Truro Cornwall 23 Jul 23 10.20am |
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Originally posted by Spiderman
Serious question, Out of all the suitable candidates, how do you choose? Say 1 is transgender, 1 is gay, 1 is Muslim, 1 is from ethnic minority and several are natives of Cornwall. Surely by not accepting some of these, you can be accused of discrimination? The baker in your scenario may not choose the gay or transgender customer to have the cakes, could he be sued? Yes, if it could be proved he made a decision on discriminatory grounds. If he ignored all the attributes you mention and reached a decision in an unbiased way, whatever it was, then no. Of course, in practice, the way a decision was made in such circumstances would never get tested. A coin toss would be the easiest explanation. In my own case I use the local council's housing department as my agent, rather than the high street agents with whom I have had some poor experiences. The council recommend on need, after ensuring affordability. I always take their recommendations, so don't have to think too much, although I do try to meet everyone first so they know who they are dealing with.
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cryrst  The garden of England 23 Jul 23 10.21am |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
It's their ball, they can decide who gets to play with it. That anyone feels it's a poor decision is beside the point. It's not their business. If they believe that their reputation will be damaged then they have the right to take whatever action they believe is necessary. That they then used one of the account rules to engineer the desired result might be devious, and has proved counterproductive, but it's still their right. As it is to use discretion with others who also fail to meet the rules. I don't see anything "left" involved. I see only commercial pragmatism. Which has been badly handled and handed Farage a propaganda victory. Why would NF need a victory for propaganda apart from proving how the left operate.
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| Badger11 Beckenham 23 Jul 23 10.22am |
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Originally posted by cryrst
Why would NF need a victory for propaganda apart from proving how the left operate. Exactly just like Trump they can't leave it along they have to keep picking at the scab.
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| Spiderman Horsham 23 Jul 23 10.22am |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
It's their ball, they can decide who gets to play with it. That anyone feels it's a poor decision is beside the point. It's not their business. If they believe that their reputation will be damaged then they have the right to take whatever action they believe is necessary. That they then used one of the account rules to engineer the desired result might be devious, and has proved counterproductive, but it's still their right. As it is to use discretion with others who also fail to meet the rules. I don't see anything "left" involved. I see only commercial pragmatism. Which has been badly handled and handed Farage a propaganda victory. So what is different about NF now , from when they were happy to have his custom? Trying to jump on the Woke bandwagon? Massive own goal scored here
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 georgenorman 23 Jul 23 10.24am |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
I didn't say in yours! Just in these threads. You wouldn't have any choice other than to do what you suggest unless you could find a politically motivated sponsor with deep pockets like the "Christian Institute", ready to push the argument all the way to the SC. Maybe one would emerge from among the band of self-righteous brothers who populate this place. I knew you would say that, but of course it is clear to anyone that you implied it. As I said before, businesses and organisations and individuals should be able to do or not do business with whoever they like.
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| Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 23 Jul 23 10.26am |
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Originally posted by robdave2k
But you’re arguing for the “Cab Rank” rule, where I don't see why. A choice still has to be made. Not everyone can be accepted. I am not obliged to take the first on a list.
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| Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 23 Jul 23 10.36am |
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Originally posted by cryrst
Why would NF need a victory for propaganda apart from proving how the left operate. NF is all about propaganda. It's what he lives by. He could have quietly accepted this, found another bank to handle his account and kept his personal life personal. Instead he worked himself up into a wholly mock outrage designed to wind up the right because he thought he could politically profit from it. His current period of exposure at GB News is no different to Trump's at "The Apprentice". It's all about him and the propaganda he spreads like muck on the fields.
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| Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 23 Jul 23 10.45am |
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Originally posted by georgenorman
I knew you would say that, but of course it is clear to anyone that you implied it. As I said before, businesses and organisations and individuals should be able to do or not do business with whoever they like. I wrote it, so I know if it was implied. It wasn't! No individual, or business, is allowed to discriminate in an unlawful way. That you think they should doesn't change that. Nor does the fact that I believe Ashers Bakery did, but the SC disagreed. I accept that decision, even if I believe it to be unwise. My hope now is that, in time, the law will be changed to ensure that it can no longer happen.
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ASCPFC  Pro-Cathedral/caravan park 23 Jul 23 10.53am |
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Farage is so lightweight, I'm not sure I care. Then again the only thing heavyweight about any of the current politicians (which Farage isn't really) is either their waistline or wallet. I was waiting for the gay cake to be brought up.
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| Spiderman Horsham 23 Jul 23 10.55am |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
NF is all about propaganda. It's what he lives by. He could have quietly accepted this, found another bank to handle his account and kept his personal life personal. Instead he worked himself up into a wholly mock outrage designed to wind up the right because he thought he could politically profit from it. His current period of exposure at GB News is no different to Trump's at "The Apprentice". It's all about him and the propaganda he spreads like muck on the fields. Why should he have accepted it quietly? It was an outrageous decision, whether you like NF or not. A slippery slope if the banks are not called out on it
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| georgenorman 23 Jul 23 10.55am |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
I wrote it, so I know if it was implied. It wasn't! No individual, or business, is allowed to discriminate in an unlawful way. That you think they should doesn't change that. Nor does the fact that I believe Ashers Bakery did, but the SC disagreed. I accept that decision, even if I believe it to be unwise. My hope now is that, in time, the law will be changed to ensure that it can no longer happen. Clearly you wrote it and clearly it is your usual dissembling. Indeed there are laws against businesses, organisations and individuals being able to do or not do business with whoever they like. Let’s hope that the law will be changed.
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| NEILLO Shoreham-by-Sea 23 Jul 23 11.15am |
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Perhaps I'm missing something here, but NF has hardly changed his political stance over the years. So why was his money good enough when Coutts accepted him as a client but it's not any more ? If the NatWest / RBS Group is worried about its reputation, well that ship sailed years ago.
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