Thank God for train strikes so I haven't had to watch these last few....

Stanzerman

Feels like we were all sold a false dawn.

- No new stadium but least of concerns.
- A halt to investment in team so it looks depleted and plays as such.
- No fight, leadership or substance in team, going down, melting and giving in without so much as a whimper.
- Manager starting to look way out of his depth.

A shocking reversal since last year. Very reactionary right now but we look a shambles in every department and I cannot see where the change is coming from. Embarrassing and spirit sapping on the pitch and off.

I'm not promoting it but I think we will see PV out soon. How long that will be and how bad things have to become beforehand I don't know. I feel as though a gut-wrenching loss to BHA will be the last straw. We'll be lucky to get one loan this month who undoubtedly won't be a first team starter and the board will revert to type after the weak attempt to change things.

Now Zaha's got a bit of green grass ahead of him here... and finds Ambrose... not a bad effort!!!!

I have been a big fan of Patrick Viera. To have turned around our old squad into the team that we saw last season was great.

But something has gone really wrong. We've missed Connor Gallagher in midfield badly. There is the a lack of dynamism from players. Coupled with some strange selections up front since just before the WC and after and we look like relegation form.

I do wonder if there may be a change. Jan transfer window might be an opportunity for a new manager like Dyche to come in, toughen things up and try and turn the tide.

I am now seriously worried, not to say hugely embarrassed.

Our next five games do not bode well:
Chelsea, Newcastle, Man Utd, Brighton and Brentford

I guess that after the Brentford game we will still be on 22 pts and sinking fast - unless there is a major restructuring of the team and, sad to say, the departure of the manager.

In that respect I am not sure who we could get. If Potter gets the push then he perhaps but it seems PV is running true to his previous form with previous clubs - a bright start and then descent
into failure.

'Experts' say we have a lot of talent which is maybe so but we don't have a motivating manager.

Man and boy Palace since my first game in 1948 sitting on my dad's shoulders

Sorry to say the leadership of the club sits with the manager. He picks the players and sets out the tactics.

Yes PV has a very poor hand toplay right now but that was pretty much our strongest team and against a club who are struggling in the league.

We were shocking no passion, a total lack of leadership and a seeming inability to pass the ball.

Buck stops with PV. Question is, now we in a transfer window do the board back him, sack him or leave it until the summer and hope there are 3 worse teams in the league.

Our next run of games is going to be hard. I can't see us getting many points and that alone my see Viera out.

Another dire performance and steadily getting worse with each match. Losing at home to the worst team in the league. Remind anyone of a previous time, such as 2013/14 under Holloway? What solved it was getting in a no-nonsense opinionated manager. Tony Pulis never came across as a ‘nice guy’ by any stretch, but brought discipline, attitude and organisation and wouldn’t tolerate prima donnas and half-arsed efforts in matches, unlike being served up now. Result was 11th place by season’s end.

Looking at individual technical quality of the players at his disposal most would say they were not as good as now (remember he had no Wilf), but there were some real battlers in there like Delaney and Jedinak, who drove the others on verbally and by example. More than anything that type of character seems in short supply now, but maybe they could surprise us if a less indulgent and more sterner, regimented managerial approach was adopted, with places earned through performance not given weekly despite dreadful performances.

Can Vieira do this and will he be able to change? For a man that as a player was known as one of the toughest characters around, his acceptance of these poor efforts does seem strange and maybe it will need a change to somebody like Dyche to pull the team out of spiralling freefall to destruction