As we don't have a constitution, that's obviously impossible. What your, my and any other voter's opinion of this might be is largely irrelevant. What matters is how those elected understand their role, and that has been defined for them by their leaders over the centuries. If it matters so much, then enough people need to return candidates prepared to make this an issue and have it legally defined the way you think fit.

Until then our MPs will go on behaving as their conscience dictates. Some already hold to your approach. That's their decision, but others don't and that's theirs too.

MPs who use their conscience to reach decisions don't "betray" their voters! Quite the reverse! They aren't sheep. You might as well send a voting machine to Parliament and save a lot of expense. We need people to think, challenge and rebel on occasions. You didn't like the one in question, but there will come a time when you do, and will be very grateful your MP is fully engaged.

For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

So brexit mps who believe it is in the uk’s best interest are all wrong.
Is that what you are saying ?

I’m sure they won in a local election….!

That’s not the argument. The argument is about power. If there is democracy then the will of the people is enacted. If it isn’t then there simply is no democracy. It would be the same on any other major issue.

I'd say there is a lot of common sense in your commentary.

It's certainly wrong to 'blame' or abuse people for their genetics. However, the neo liberal state is fully committed to the world village. Any objection to that future is regarded as 'hate' or 'abuse'.

For an example, look at what happened to those cricketers in Yorkshire. Does anyone serious outside of the usual suspects really believe that Asians were subjected to 'hate' or 'abuse'? Yet look at what the state and the institutions made happen.....they didn't even really care about the truth, the accusations were all they needed.

The same tactics are used if you point out things you might not agree with over the Israeli state these last seventy years (not that these are arguments I tend to make). The system is set up in such a way that those criticisms will see you branded an 'antisemite'. You will suddenly see people who disagree using words like 'hate' and 'abuse'. You will be subjected to the Maoist practice of being told what you really think instead of your actual words speaking for themselves....instead they will 'interpret' those words for you.

Whether it's a debate on race or gender or anything else the current power structure wants, it's a tactic used to head off actual debate or justify whatever the system wants to punish you with for ideas it fears.

I think it's a valid question to ask how we got here.....why we got here....and where are we going....and is any of that an improvement and if so....for whom.

Because Nicholas it has to be stated, the system that raised me was fully committed to exactly the beliefs as you stated them....I'd describe them as the Martin Luther King Jr mindset....or what it's called in my circles, 'boomer truth'.

It is that exact same system that led us to exactly this place now.

Personally I think we are living in an age where there is a disconnect between what people like me were brought up to believe in....that kind of Martin Luther King Jr, 'I have a dream' speech and what actually occurred once all the boomer egalitarians enacted their ideas.

As I say I was raised on those same 'boomer truths' and ideals. I advocated for them for most of my adult life. Things changed in my approach only when I actually paid attention to what was actually happening. What the actual laws and institutions started to resemble.

I think that point is very important...actually connecting the rhetoric to what the consequences to them were are on the ground once it was implemented. I don't see that as an accident or incidental at all. It was always what was going to happen.

We both lived in Lewisham and its surrounding areas. So we both know what the holistic realities are once the demographics were made to change....the crime rate, the change in social cohesion, the actual real group loyalties and allegiances.

You only have to look at the areas on a before and after basis. Look at Detroit in the 1950s and now, or Luton or Brixton then and now. Look at how things are run, from the rubbish on the streets to the actual lack of diversity on them....because the boxer Ali was definitely right about actual group living dynamics.

To me, you have to either be on the far left and anti white or a complete and utter utopian to see think the harmonious global village is going to work...they can't point to any location on earth where it does and few of them will live in those locations. Yet they will still point to their 'I have a dream' ideas like a Disney fan holds onto a world of Princesses and ivory towers....or perhaps for the modern Disney degenerate, drag queens dancing for children.

They know what they want the world to be like and so they will keep saying what they believe regardless of what the reality is.....like the rich gated communities in LA, who keep voting Democrat just as long as their secured patch is kept safe from the consequences of those votes outside the gates.

I regard it as the difference between a utopian and a utilitarian.

They don't care about the holistic reality, only their reality and the conceit of virtue signalling to fit in with their political peers.

Edited by Stirlingsays (08 Jun 2022 9.38pm)

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

But the fact that it’s not “codified” (not sure where that world came from but sounds suspiciously post modern) doesn’t mean it’s not law and it’s not written down.

We do 100% have a constitution.