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BlueJay UK 11 Apr 22 9.38pm | |
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I'm just highlighting an issue that many voters and workers will find dispiriting. Which is why many are affronted by instances like this. It's abundantly clear that corporations and rich individuals have carved out ways to hide their wealth and pay much lower taxes than the average person, and that this is often achieved through influencing government policy. They hold significant influence that has very little to do with a vote and often even who is voted in (it's not particularly hard to influence two parties... happens in the US especially all of the time). Anyway, it's just a view shared. Will wind down my thoughts on this. Have fun!
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cryrst The garden of England 11 Apr 22 9.56pm | |
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Originally posted by BlueJay
No we shouldn't protect against everyone that upsets us, who has suggested that? We should perhaps not rule it out in certain instances though. As I say, we seem to perceive it very differently and negatively when it happens here compared to abroad.. That is something of note, and I think it's need something that has been ingrained itself us, not necessarily for or to our own benefit. Many probably don't care, many probably do. For a man in his position it doesn't sit well with many. You're a good man, but you do routinely do seem to be very unbothered by every instance of the government mugging us off (like the grotesque PPE contracts stuff etc) . A kind of 'get away with it if you can' outlook. I'm saying that the problem is it's indeed very easy to get away with it in government. I will pick you up on the PPE thing. Its being investigated and may be fudged I agree. My point is where we were with covid at the time. Someone had to move. There wasn't time for meetings about meetings infinitum. Another point was that out of the huge spend there must have been an amount that was actually useful. This is overlooked by certain posters. As for not being bothered ; maybe that's why I don't get too stressed. I've been down very low both emotionally and financially. I came back so I have empathy, but sympathy for constant takers is limited.
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Rudi Hedman Caterham 11 Apr 22 9.59pm | |
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Originally posted by BlueJay
No we shouldn't protect against everyone that upsets us, who has suggested that? We should perhaps not rule it out in certain instances though. As I say, we seem to perceive it very differently and negatively when it happens here compared to abroad.. That is something of note, and I think it's need something that has been ingrained itself us, not necessarily for or to our own benefit. Many probably don't care, many probably do. For a man in his position it doesn't sit well with many. You're a good man, but you do routinely do seem to be very unbothered by every instance of the government mugging us off (like the grotesque PPE contracts stuff etc) . A kind of 'get away with it if you can' outlook. I'm saying that the problem is it's indeed very easy to get away with it in government. It’s becoming more and more blatant and more and more acceptable. Strange. We soon could be in 19th century territory with very little comforts for the masses while the few have it all. Literally all of it.
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Rudi Hedman Caterham 11 Apr 22 10.03pm | |
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Originally posted by cryrst
I will pick you up on the PPE thing. Its being investigated and may be fudged I agree. My point is where we were with covid at the time. Someone had to move. There wasn't time for meetings about meetings infinitum. Another point was that out of the huge spend there must have been an amount that was actually useful. This is overlooked by certain posters. As for not being bothered ; maybe that's why I don't get too stressed. I've been down very low both emotionally and financially. I came back so I have empathy, but sympathy for constant takers is limited. We really deserve to be taken for fools. The current government are taking everyone for a ride. We’ve gone back over a century. Nice work, and they can get it, off each other.
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BlueJay UK 11 Apr 22 10.07pm | |
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Originally posted by cryrst
I will pick you up on the PPE thing. Its being investigated and may be fudged I agree. My point is where we were with covid at the time. Someone had to move. There wasn't time for meetings about meetings infinitum. Another point was that out of the huge spend there must have been an amount that was actually useful. This is overlooked by certain posters. As for not being bothered ; maybe that's why I don't get too stressed. I've been down very low both emotionally and financially. I came back so I have empathy, but sympathy for constant takers is limited. I agree that it was a very difficult time where quick decisions had to be made. It's just it seems many took advantage of that, that there's a culture of that rather than it being a one off, and it's something that's hard, yet important to minimise in the system where possible. They are often blatant about it and that can wear on people, and they are supposed to represent our interests, not their own. Your other point I agree with, that no matter what the societal bigger picture is, or what policies are in place, ultimately we all have to make the best of life and the opportunities it presents rather than be overly be woe is me or have a blinkered and entitled 'hand out' mindset. It certainly sounds like you've weathered some financial storms, and are family focused (the health issues you've mentioned etc), so credit to you. I've had failed and successful business ventures, but if I'd given up when times were tough I'd have been in a much worse position than I am! If we do our bit though, so should government. They're more akin to pigs in the trough at times in my view. Thanks for sharing your thoughts. I appreciate that people can have different takes on these matters. Edited by BlueJay (11 Apr 2022 10.12pm)
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Jimenez SELHURSTPARKCHESTER,DA BRONX 11 Apr 22 10.27pm | |
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Originally posted by georgenorman
So what's your solution? Ring up the immigration department & see if the s***s papers are in order..... Edited by becky (12 Apr 2022 6.55am)
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Jimenez SELHURSTPARKCHESTER,DA BRONX 11 Apr 22 10.34pm | |
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It's actually people like this who make my piss boil, that & woke corporations like Starbucks, Microsoft, Amazon et al who are all for union membership until erm? someone wants to start a union at one of their places then they start squirming & wriggling, the exact same thing with taxes.
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Mapletree Croydon 11 Apr 22 10.40pm | |
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This thread is wrongly titled It should read the Sunak family tax affairs If he didn’t have income she would have remitted money into the uk to live and it would then have been taxed. So effectively his tax is all they need to pay. It isn’t just her affair and as such attacking the set up is entirely valid, it isn’t that she is fair game it is that he is fair game
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HKOwen Hong Kong 12 Apr 22 12.04am | |
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Originally posted by Jimenez
Ring up the immigration department & see if the slags papers are in order..... You clearly don't expect anything you post to be considered when you post absolute racist garbage like this. Do you think it's funny or clever? Edited by HKOwen (12 Apr 2022 12.10am)
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HKOwen Hong Kong 12 Apr 22 12.09am | |
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The direction of travel is that Shunak is politically naive and now has no chance of ever being PM. I wonder if he will decide to simply quit politics if he thinks he cannot get the top job. It seems his wife is going to pay two years tax on a non dom basis which indicates to me he has at least convinced her he still has a chance. Whether or not he is simply too rich to be PM is another question. In the US they seem to have no problem with politicians being very wealthy.
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Tim Gypsy Hill '64 Stoke sub normal 12 Apr 22 1.37am | |
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Originally posted by BlueJay
Point being that many decent tax payers will be outraged by this. You are declaring them as idiots for doing so. That's for you. I'm calling them hard working Brits making ends meet (because they are), who understandably aren't happy about such unethical behaviour. His wife was happy to use the furlough scheme too of course to the tune of several hundred thousand. Happy to take advantage of the hand outs, not so forthcoming about paying in.
Well, if anyone is outraged by this, they obviously have no idea of our tax system. Non domicile has existed for longer than anyone alive. No laws were broken by Akshata Murt(h)y. If people want to get indignant about it, they should take it up with Parliament as I stated. Not an individual, which is what idiots do. Ethics don't come into it. Law is law, and not bound by emotion. The issue of furlough is 'whataboutery'. Incidentally, the 'non dom' law was introduced for the appeasement of colonnial businessmen back in the days of the Empire. People might be pleased to see our repatriated subjects taking full advantage of a system that disadvantaged them in former times. No? Well, I suppose they might have, but these are rich Tory cunce, so hang the phukkas! edit: reading through these posts, I see that others are not so outraged. Also, anyone who offers to pay more than they need to into the government coffers is either getting some kind of personal return, a raving lunatic, or a liar. Edited by Tim Gypsy Hill '64 (12 Apr 2022 2.00am)
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BlueJay UK 12 Apr 22 2.12am | |
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Originally posted by Tim Gypsy Hill '64
Well, if anyone is outraged by this, they obviously have no idea of our tax system. Non domicile has existed for longer than anyone alive. No laws were broken by Akshata Murt(h)y. If people want to get indignant about it, they should take it up with Parliament as I stated. Not an individual, which is what idiots do. Ethics don't come into it. Law is law, and not bound by emotion. The issue of furlough is 'whataboutery'. Incidentally, the 'non dom' law was introduced for the appeasement of colonnial businessmen back in the days of the Empire. People might be pleased to see our repatriated subjects taking full advantage of a system that disadvantaged them in former times. No? Well, I suppose they might have, but these are rich Tory cunce, so hang the phukkas! Your perpetual outrage at a joke about an actors wife's hair (for which a comedian was physically assaulted), makes me question whether you're the best person to talk about the importance of law over emotion. So suddenly only the law matters? A brand new belief system every thread. People taking a view here 'are' considering the ethics of it, not solely which legal loopholes or path that's been forged for the rich by the rich has been used. They're hardly calling for anyone's arrest and you might well know that politicians behaviour (and those influencing them or benefiting from their association) is routinely not aligned with the interests of the tax payer. That's certainly something of relevance. People can decide for themselves how they feel about this and indeed their government. There isn't one way to look at it that's for 'idiots' and one for others; clearly it has split opinion and that's fine. Edited by BlueJay (12 Apr 2022 12.53pm)
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