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 Wisbech Eagle  Truro Cornwall 13 Oct 21 10.36pm |
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Originally posted by cryrst
So how has brexit affected you. If you think my primary concern is myself then you haven't been following me very well. I am fortunate that although I am impacted like everyone by shortages and rising prices, I have sufficient reserves to weather the storms. My needs are few, and my personal concerns are much more to do with my health. My big concerns are about the future of my country, and especially that of my children, grandchildren and great-grandchildren. Both my kids, and all my grandchildren, were dismayed that we voted to leave and blame my generation for being so short-sighted. I care about that.
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| Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 13 Oct 21 11.12pm |
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Removed. Duplicate. Edited by Wisbech Eagle (13 Oct 2021 11.14pm)
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cryrst  The garden of England 14 Oct 21 6.23am |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
If you think my primary concern is myself then you haven't been following me very well. I am fortunate that although I am impacted like everyone by shortages and rising prices, I have sufficient reserves to weather the storms. My needs are few, and my personal concerns are much more to do with my health. My big concerns are about the future of my country, and especially that of my children, grandchildren and great-grandchildren. Both my kids, and all my grandchildren, were dismayed that we voted to leave and blame my generation for being so short-sighted. I care about that.
You think they are dismayed behind your back as well?
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| Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 14 Oct 21 8.41am |
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Originally posted by cryrst
You think they are dismayed behind your back as well? Dismayed is the polite way of expressing it. They are angry with us. The future belongs to them, not us, yet our generation has decided what their parameters are going to be, at least until the time comes when they can outvote us. Maybe we should have had a conditional referendum which was weighted by life expectancy!
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| Badger11 Beckenham 14 Oct 21 9.33am |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
Dismayed is the polite way of expressing it. They are angry with us. The future belongs to them, not us, yet our generation has decided what their parameters are going to be, at least until the time comes when they can outvote us. Maybe we should have had a conditional referendum which was weighted by life expectancy! I'm still angry with your generation for voting to join the Common Market I was 13 at the time. "You stole my future".
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| Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 14 Oct 21 10.04am |
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Originally posted by Badger11
I'm still angry with your generation for voting to join the Common Market I was 13 at the time. "You stole my future". We didn't vote to join. That was decided, correctly in my opinion, by Parliament on our behalf. The referendum in 1975 gave approval, by a 2/3rds majority, to continue our membership. 2/3rds is pretty decisive. There will always be those who disagree, but when the numbers are almost equally split, then the voices of those most affected ought to be listened to.
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| Rudi Hedman Caterham 14 Oct 21 11.16am |
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Young people’s concerns change and will change. It is only the comfortable and those in their little bubbles away from the issues that wish for the concerns to continue for those not in their comfort bubble. By that time we’ll hopefully address a lot of the labour force/work dodging issues in England that I’ve no doubt needed some shocks for various groups of people to do it.
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| Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 14 Oct 21 11.32am |
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Originally posted by Rudi Hedman
Young people’s concerns change and will change. It is only the comfortable and those in their little bubbles away from the issues that wish for the concerns to continue for those not in their comfort bubble. By that time we’ll hopefully address a lot of the labour force/work dodging issues in England that I’ve no doubt needed some shocks for various groups of people to do it. There are lots of "little bubbles"! There's one here. One whose "concerns" are not replicated everywhere. Some of those bubbles are going to be pricked and one of the most obvious, to me anyway, is this idea that there is a pool of untapped labour in our ranks waiting to be harnessed by higher wages and/or the removal of benefits. A high wage economy sounds great, but it can only work if it is accompanied by high productivity. Which is something we are notoriously poor at achieving. Without that, higher wages equals inflation and inflation hits those on fixed incomes, including the retired like many here, hardest. So, in Simon Jordan's words, "Be careful what you wish for".
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| Rudi Hedman Caterham 14 Oct 21 11.36am |
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The old argument - ‘’I want to be able to work anywhere including top jobs only a few can work in, or bar work for a few months when it suits me in my early twenties. Or just to know I could if I wanted to’’ versus ‘’I don’t want to have to move away/abroad to be able to live/work against my wishes (when the others could apply for work permits to work abroad if they really wanted to anyway)’’ Then there are those p1ssed off they can’t live and retire abroad on the cheap which causes issues in some areas they want to move to.
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| Rudi Hedman Caterham 14 Oct 21 11.38am |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
There are lots of "little bubbles"! There's one here. One whose "concerns" are not replicated everywhere. Some of those bubbles are going to be pricked and one of the most obvious, to me anyway, is this idea that there is a pool of untapped labour in our ranks waiting to be harnessed by higher wages and/or the removal of benefits. A high wage economy sounds great, but it can only work if it is accompanied by high productivity. Which is something we are notoriously poor at achieving. Without that, higher wages equals inflation and inflation hits those on fixed incomes, including the retired like many here, hardest. So, in Simon Jordan's words, "Be careful what you wish for". In your comfortable little bubble these concerns don’t exist.
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| Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 14 Oct 21 9.48pm |
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Originally posted by Rudi Hedman
In your comfortable little bubble these concerns don’t exist. In case you forgot, Cornwall voted to leave the EU. It also hasn't yet put up any barriers to homeownership here, either permanent or second homes. So the majority of people here, which has a higher than average proportion of retirees, obviously share some of your concerns. They also have the door open to you should the burden of living in a multicultural city become too much for you.
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| Rudi Hedman Caterham 14 Oct 21 10.04pm |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
In case you forgot, Cornwall voted to leave the EU. It also hasn't yet put up any barriers to homeownership here, either permanent or second homes. So the majority of people here, which has a higher than average proportion of retirees, obviously share some of your concerns. They also have the door open to you should the burden of living in a multicultural city become too much for you. Multicultural soon becoming the minority. And it’s the type of culture that’s the concern. Actually south of the borough the ethnic minorities are all fine.
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