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HKOwen Hong Kong 29 Jun 21 8.21am
Yes. Perhaps a comment from Naz Shah or even Sadiq Khan would be helpful. Originally posted by Badger11 The usual; dirty tricks when a by election result matters. From the Guardian [Link] Fake pamphlets is nothing new and hopefully the police will find who ever is behind them. However I am more concerned about an official Labour pamphlet: ""Labour was criticised for distributing a flyer to Muslim voters showing Boris Johnson with India’s nationalist prime minister, Narendra Modi, in 2019, along with the message: “Don’t risk a Tory MP who is not on your side.” The Labour MP Navendu Mishra said the “divisive” leaflet sought to turn communities against each other and exposed a “hierarchy of racism” within the party. He added: “We beat our opponents based on policies, not by dog-whistle racism.” This is what happens when you play identity politics at some point you will upset one of the groups that normally support you because you need the support of another group. Quite disgraceful really that Labour hasn't withdrawn it. Responsibility Deficit Disorder is a medical condition. Symptoms include inability to be corrected when wrong, false sense of superiority, desire to share personal info no else cares about, general hubris. It's a medical issue rather than pure arrogance.
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Hong Kong 29 Jun 21 8.21am

Yes. Perhaps a comment from Naz Shah or even Sadiq Khan would be helpful.

Originally posted by Badger11

The usual; dirty tricks when a by election result matters.

From the Guardian

[Link]

Fake pamphlets is nothing new and hopefully the police will find who ever is behind them. However I am more concerned about an official Labour pamphlet:

""Labour was criticised for distributing a flyer to Muslim voters showing Boris Johnson with India’s nationalist prime minister, Narendra Modi, in 2019, along with the message: “Don’t risk a Tory MP who is not on your side.”

The Labour MP Navendu Mishra said the “divisive” leaflet sought to turn communities against each other and exposed a “hierarchy of racism” within the party. He added: “We beat our opponents based on policies, not by dog-whistle racism.”

This is what happens when you play identity politics at some point you will upset one of the groups that normally support you because you need the support of another group. Quite disgraceful really that Labour hasn't withdrawn it.

Responsibility Deficit Disorder is a medical condition. Symptoms include inability to be corrected when wrong, false sense of superiority, desire to share personal info no else cares about, general hubris. It's a medical issue rather than pure arrogance.

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Stirlingsays 29 Jun 21 9.38am
Originally posted by Badger11 The usual; dirty tricks when a by election result matters. From the Guardian [Link] Fake pamphlets is nothing new and hopefully the police will find who ever is behind them. However I am more concerned about an official Labour pamphlet: ""Labour was criticised for distributing a flyer to Muslim voters showing Boris Johnson with India’s nationalist prime minister, Narendra Modi, in 2019, along with the message: “Don’t risk a Tory MP who is not on your side.” The Labour MP Navendu Mishra said the “divisive” leaflet sought to turn communities against each other and exposed a “hierarchy of racism” within the party. He added: “We beat our opponents based on policies, not by dog-whistle racism.” This is what happens when you play identity politics at some point you will upset one of the groups that normally support you because you need the support of another group. Quite disgraceful really that Labour hasn't withdrawn it. What happens is you win in high minority areas. Those who don't 'play' identity politics are doomed to lose eventually....it is and always has been a numbers game. Edited by Stirlingsays (29 Jun 2021 9.38am) 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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29 Jun 21 9.38am

Originally posted by Badger11

The usual; dirty tricks when a by election result matters.

From the Guardian

[Link]

Fake pamphlets is nothing new and hopefully the police will find who ever is behind them. However I am more concerned about an official Labour pamphlet:

This is what happens when you play identity politics at some point you will upset one of the groups that normally support you because you need the support of another group. Quite disgraceful really that Labour hasn't withdrawn it.

What happens is you win in high minority areas.

Those who don't 'play' identity politics are doomed to lose eventually....it is and always has been a numbers game.

Edited by Stirlingsays (29 Jun 2021 9.38am)

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

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Badger11 Beckenham 29 Jun 21 9.48am
Originally posted by Stirlingsays What happens is you win in high minority areas. Those who don't 'play' identity politics are doomed to lose eventually....it is and always has been a numbers game. Edited by Stirlingsays (29 Jun 2021 9.38am) Yup and it has got very messy in Batley. The official Labour candidate is upsetting the Muslims because she supports gay rights, to win them back Labour then puts out a pamphlet that suggests it is anti Hindu thus upsetting them. Meanwhile the gay rights people are probaly thinking what the hell's going on in Batley. As for the white working class I guess they are being ignored no change there then. I just hope whoever wins represents the constituency but I seriously doubt that. One more point
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Beckenham 29 Jun 21 9.48am

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

What happens is you win in high minority areas.

Those who don't 'play' identity politics are doomed to lose eventually....it is and always has been a numbers game.

Edited by Stirlingsays (29 Jun 2021 9.38am)

Yup and it has got very messy in Batley.

The official Labour candidate is upsetting the Muslims because she supports gay rights, to win them back Labour then puts out a pamphlet that suggests it is anti Hindu thus upsetting them. Meanwhile the gay rights people are probaly thinking what the hell's going on in Batley.

As for the white working class I guess they are being ignored no change there then.

I just hope whoever wins represents the constituency but I seriously doubt that.

One more point

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Stirlingsays 29 Jun 21 10.00am
Originally posted by Badger11 Yup and it has got very messy in Batley. The official Labour candidate is upsetting the Muslims because she supports gay rights, to win them back Labour then puts out a pamphlet that suggests it is anti Hindu thus upsetting them. Meanwhile the gay rights people are probaly thinking what the hell's going on in Batley. As for the white working class I guess they are being ignored no change there then. I just hope whoever wins represents the constituency but I seriously doubt that. There is a touch of the Benny Hill about it all. Labour chase these groups and will play whatever games they think win locally including, as you highlight, actions that go against their own so called standards. 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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29 Jun 21 10.00am

Originally posted by Badger11

Yup and it has got very messy in Batley.

As for the white working class I guess they are being ignored no change there then.

I just hope whoever wins represents the constituency but I seriously doubt that.

There is a touch of the Benny Hill about it all.

Labour chase these groups and will play whatever games they think win locally including, as you highlight, actions that go against their own so called standards.

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

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PalazioVecchio south pole 29 Jun 21 10.04am
Lefties seeking the Lgbt vote and the Muslim vote. It's gotta end in tears Kayla did Anfield & Old Trafford
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Lefties seeking the Lgbt vote and the Muslim vote.

It's gotta end in tears

Kayla did Anfield & Old Trafford

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Matov 29 Jun 21 5.56pm
Originally posted by PalazioVecchio Lefties seeking the Lgbt vote and the Muslim vote. It's gotta end in tears It is these inherent contradictions that make the Labour Party effectively toothless in British politics. It has ridden the notion of 'tribal' voters for far to long now. Lost the white-working classes and with its Muslim vote now showing signs of not being willing to be taken for granted either. What kind of political reality we will be living in come this time in 2022 I have no clue about anymore because so little makes any kind of rational sense at the moment but as things stand, I really struggle to see a path for Labour to make a comeback. "The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command." - 1984 - George Orwell.
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29 Jun 21 5.56pm

Originally posted by PalazioVecchio

Lefties seeking the Lgbt vote and the Muslim vote.

It's gotta end in tears

It is these inherent contradictions that make the Labour Party effectively toothless in British politics. It has ridden the notion of 'tribal' voters for far to long now. Lost the white-working classes and with its Muslim vote now showing signs of not being willing to be taken for granted either.

What kind of political reality we will be living in come this time in 2022 I have no clue about anymore because so little makes any kind of rational sense at the moment but as things stand, I really struggle to see a path for Labour to make a comeback.

"The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command." - 1984 - George Orwell.

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corkery Cork City 29 Jun 21 8.41pm
By election due in Lagan Valley. Probably status quo. We'll never die
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Cork City 29 Jun 21 8.41pm

By election due in Lagan Valley. Probably status quo.

We'll never die

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Matov 30 Jun 21 6.36pm
Originally posted by corkery By election due in Lagan Valley. Probably status quo. Hard to imagine anything else. As to tomorrow then all the focus has been on Labour and its struggles with Galloway supposedly nicking all the Muslim votes but I also wonder if the Tories will be able to get enough of their voters out to ensure they take advantage after the fiasco with Hancock? To be fair the fact that a Labour defeat is even being talked about is an upset enough given how these things are meant to pan out but the Tories were also supposed to stroll the recent by-election they lost to the Lib-Dems so we live in interesting times. "The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command." - 1984 - George Orwell.
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Matov

30 Jun 21 6.36pm

Originally posted by corkery

By election due in Lagan Valley. Probably status quo.

Hard to imagine anything else.

As to tomorrow then all the focus has been on Labour and its struggles with Galloway supposedly nicking all the Muslim votes but I also wonder if the Tories will be able to get enough of their voters out to ensure they take advantage after the fiasco with Hancock?

To be fair the fact that a Labour defeat is even being talked about is an upset enough given how these things are meant to pan out but the Tories were also supposed to stroll the recent by-election they lost to the Lib-Dems so we live in interesting times.

"The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command." - 1984 - George Orwell.

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BlueJay UK 30 Jun 21 7.25pm
Originally posted by corkery By election due in Lagan Valley. Probably status quo. Francis Rossi is finally being heard.
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UK 30 Jun 21 7.25pm

Originally posted by corkery

By election due in Lagan Valley. Probably status quo.

Francis Rossi is finally being heard.

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HKOwen Hong Kong 01 Jul 21 12.51am
Best ice creams in Sydenham Originally posted by BlueJay Francis Rossi is finally being heard. Responsibility Deficit Disorder is a medical condition. Symptoms include inability to be corrected when wrong, false sense of superiority, desire to share personal info no else cares about, general hubris. It's a medical issue rather than pure arrogance.
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Hong Kong 01 Jul 21 12.51am

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Originally posted by BlueJay

Francis Rossi is finally being heard.

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Matov 01 Jul 21 7.07pm
Bit of chatter out there about Labour types seeming a bit more upbeat about their chances of holding on to the seat although the betting markets still favouring a Tory win. "The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command." - 1984 - George Orwell.
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Matov

01 Jul 21 7.07pm

Bit of chatter out there about Labour types seeming a bit more upbeat about their chances of holding on to the seat although the betting markets still favouring a Tory win.

"The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command." - 1984 - George Orwell.

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silvertop Portishead 01 Jul 21 9.00pm
Originally posted by Stirlingsays There is a touch of the Benny Hill about it all. Labour chase these groups and will play whatever games they think win locally including, as you highlight, actions that go against their own so called standards. Labour back every minority; the rest back Tory and they win at a canter
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Portishead 01 Jul 21 9.00pm

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

There is a touch of the Benny Hill about it all.

Labour chase these groups and will play whatever games they think win locally including, as you highlight, actions that go against their own so called standards.

Labour back every minority; the rest back Tory and they win at a canter

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