It's worth a punt. Probably get Russian funding.
You could hire buses stating 'The EU gave us Xmil a day for education and community funding. Let's get that back'. Obviously, lie about the figures.

Red and Blue Army!

I think you make a lot of good points and it's fair to say there's quite a lot of confusion about what exactly working class means now.....with mindset coming into it as well as standard of living.

Your point about the past is a strong one....my grandfather worked as a stoker/welder in Upper Norwood, living on Gipsy Hill with a mortgage with two kids....I don't think his wife worked. Worked to enjoy his weekend at the football and social club but never had much left over from housekeeping....Labour all his life....where he lived is worth a small fortune now.

To me, it's not that complicated, If you have a nice living you aren't working class.

In reality I'm probably lower middle class, from a council estate beginning.

Edited by Stirlingsays (30 May 2021 7.58pm)

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

That is my feeling I know that somewhere there is an official definition of working class but in this discussion it is irrelevant.

For once I am with the feelings matter more than facts brigade, there will be millionaires who will describe themselves as working class.

So this again highlights Labour's credibility with that group. If politicians say you are middle class when you consider yourself working class why should you connect with them, they are the ones not listening.

I call myself working class I expect the experts would say no you are middle class, well don't tell me how to think or feel.

Edited by Badger11 (31 May 2021 7.56am)

One more point

I tend to think that most believe they are middle class, like you say. But also claim to be working class - basically for social affect, like Maple suggests. However, I think the whole concept is basically an ongoing con trick. When we look at the distribution of wealth - we're all sharing about maybe 5%. The top 5% have the other 95%. We're not in the middle, we're all at the bottom. Of course, originally Marx but, funnily enough, Trump seemed to like to highlight these 'elites'. Which is totally off my point really, but fun.

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Cleese, Barker, Corbett

Responsibility Deficit Disorder is a medical condition. Symptoms include inability to be corrected when wrong, false sense of superiority, desire to share personal info no else cares about, general hubris. It's a medical issue rather than pure arrogance.

One of the finest comedy sketches

Responsibility Deficit Disorder is a medical condition. Symptoms include inability to be corrected when wrong, false sense of superiority, desire to share personal info no else cares about, general hubris. It's a medical issue rather than pure arrogance.