This raises valid questions in a way that demands respect and consideration.

The principal of using vaccine verification as a way to open up travel and the economy is well made. We already use various types of ID in our daily lives without thinking about it so that ought not concern anyone.

The problem is those who might wish to be vaccinated but are unable to comply. Disadvantaging them would be unfair and divisive. So again it comes down to assessing the risks against the benefits.

I feel sure there is a way of finding a pragmatic roadmap (to use an overused term) to ensure that a balance is struck which enables confidence to grow without disadvantaging too many for too long.

I don't see anything set in stone but rather a flexible system being established which will be relaxed as we move forward. International travel must have a unified system, but our own internal one does not have to be. Something though will be introduced.

Sooo - it’s not reallly a ‘domestic passport’ though is it. That’s sensationalist guff lapped up by the usual media suspects to gain clicks so they can talk about stasi Britain and county border checks and all that.

It’s a certificate on the NHS app or equivalent that you MAY need to show at large scale events such as festivals or football games to get in. Which, knowing the level of deficiency when it comes to government and anything digital will probably be insanely easy to counterfeit. Otherwise, such events won’t be able to be insured, and have a high chance of creating an outbreak in which case they will be fined or shut down. Without it? No more festivals. No more large scale events. In the short term anyway.

So I’d like to know what your solution is to that minor issue without some form of proof of vaccination.

Secondly you make reasonable points right up until you lob a clearly preconceived, and absolutely massive leap from nhs app to social credit score. I’m not saying that this won’t ever happen on a global scale but it will be many many years into the future. Sure China have been at it in one area of their country for ages but we simply don’t have the capabilities or the under population for this to be an option short to medium term. The government would get booted out of office.

Plus - this already happens now, Facebook have been doing it for years. When big tech really takes over then it will actually affect you outside more than just Facebook et al.

As for bumbler Johnson, who the PM is in this scenario is more or less irrelevant. I’d wager anyone in that position would be doing more or less the same thing - However, as you say, you voted for him so the ‘do you really trust’ like is somewhat galling.

Edited by SW19 CPFC (02 Apr 2021 10.33pm)

Sooo - it’s not reallly a ‘domestic passport’ though is it. That’s sensationalist guff lapped up by the usual media suspects to gain clicks so they can talk about stasi Britain and county border checks and all that.

It’s a certificate on the NHS app or equivalent that you MAY need to show at large scale events such as festivals or football games to get in. Which, knowing the level of deficiency when it comes to government and anything digital will probably be insanely easy to counterfeit. Otherwise, such events won’t be able to be insured, and have a high chance of creating an outbreak in which case they will be fined or shut down. Without it? No more festivals. No more large scale events. In the short term anyway.

So I’d like to know what your solution is to that minor issue without some form of proof of vaccination.

Secondly you make reasonable points right up until you lob a clearly preconceived, and absolutely massive leap from nhs app to social credit score. I’m not saying that this won’t ever happen on a global scale but it will be many many years into the future. Sure China have been at it in one area of their country for ages but we simply don’t have the capabilities or the under population for this to be an option short to medium term. The government would get booted out of office.

Plus - this already happens now, Facebook have been doing it for years. When big tech really takes over then it will actually affect you outside more than just Facebook et al.

As for bumbler Johnson, who the PM is in this scenario is more or less irrelevant. I’d wager anyone in that position would be doing more or less the same thing - However, as you say, you voted for him so the ‘do you really trust’ like is somewhat galling.

Edited by SW19 CPFC (02 Apr 2021 10.33pm)

Half the adult population has already had the vaccine by June / July only those who can't and the refusniks will be left. So why do we need to show a passport to go into a pub etc.

I am all in favour of a travel one and would extend it beyond COVID to ensure people coming here especially from outside of Europe / USA are vaccinated against things like TB, Typhoid etc.

A domestic passport is a bridge too far for me.

So if Georgia had insisted on this ID for people to vote there wouldn’t have been any complaints.

It’s not a domestic passport though is it

It will be left to the discretion of pubs and other commercial enterprises as to what practices they want to employ. Some of the bigger groups have already said they have no interest in such a policy. As mentioned it’s large scale gatherings that in the short term will need to have something in place as they are ripe petri dishes for break outs.

And yes, come late summer most of this will be irrelevant anyway as most people will have us the jabs. It’s a temporary measure to get the economy going and moving back towards normality - again, no one is explaining to me what the alternative is - it’s either proof of vaccination at some large scale events, and for international travel, or a lot of those industries die on their arse.