Says the man physically deficient for our own armed forces.

That's pathetic Dan.

I was born with sight in one eye, which kept me out yet here we have the 'progressive' mocking someone's born disability. You're just a fake aren't you Dan.....it's your feelings rather than principles isn't it mate.

Yeah Dan, I'd fight for my children not to be raised Muslim.....you're damn right.

Keep kneeling.

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

When you mock people for running away from the Taliban you hold yourself up for ridicule.

And? There are lots of people that say things and have views that I do not subscribe to and vehemently disagree with, but I would not belittle them for their colour, sexuality or disability etc.
Just my view.

The Afghan army was and is much more supplied and on paper has greater numbers than the Taliban.

You're talking out of your backside. This is about will. Like Badger said, the Taliban have large scale support and the number against them prepared to fight without a pay packet is relatively low. The few who care enough will once against become the Northern Alliance when the government falls.

As for me, I do have beliefs I've actually stood up for and suffered for as a consequence. I've never said I'm 'macho',.....that's probably you just projecting your male inadequacies.....Like I said, your comments show that's it's about feelings rather than principles and your 'progressivism' is skin deep.

Fake and looking for others to live his principles.

Edited by Stirlingsays (14 Aug 2021 12.28pm)

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

There is definitely a tragedy with the Afghan story that I would blame the west for......and that's from ignorance of history and a refusal to learn from it. The guilt isn't ours as a people it's squarely with the Bush and Blair administrations and the institutional leaders who kept pushing their madness long after it was clear it wouldn't work.....because at the end of the day it's about paying the mortgage....perhaps I should be less critical of them, because the buck really should stop at the top.

Those administrations are responsible from all the avoidable deaths associated with trying to turn that country into a democracy. Both our own soldiers and civilians killed caught up in our fighting.

Vietnam showed that the west isn't prepared to suffer the cost, both in military deaths and economics to do what is necessary to win a war and change a country....and to be fair to the US, they actually really tried for six or seven years.

Personally I accepted the blood price of killing anyone we knew was associated with enabling 9/11. But that should have been a significant and bloody retaliation, not an occupation....you offer them peace for peace based upon leaving each other alone.

Perhaps it's a good thing the west aren't prepared to pay the cost of converting a country into a democracy...even if you ignore the ethical part of that. Because the reality is that putting down revolts can't be done in a pretty fashion. Russia in Syria showed that western democracies aren't prepared to do the dirty work but they were.

So it comes down to disney land ideology....Politicians and leaders believing that a very culturally different people would accept 'western values' pushed onto them at a time in their evolution where the infrastructure and westernized numbers clearly wasn't there.

So the 'little people' suffer for their irrational grand designs.

Different day, same s***e.

Edited by Stirlingsays (14 Aug 2021 1.14pm)

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)