hang on.. you're in serious danger of being massively hypocritical here. as you quite rightly pointed out earlier in this thread.

"If you take the position of "you can't have an opinion on the atmosphere if you don't go" then it's a short road to "if you don't go you can't have an opinion on palace""

Personally, I don't see why you would think that regular, unflinching attendance qualifies you to have a more valid opinion."

..and i agree. Everyone is entitled to an opinion and for that to be respected. So i would suggest you practice what you preach; otherwise you just come across as being old and bitter and undermining your viewpoint in the process.

Change always polarises opinion...but there's no need to be personal

The Voice of Reason In An Otherwise Mediocre World

For all the aggro that moving the HF caused I can't honestly say it was worth it. I suppose their singing seemed a bit louder, but as a couple of others on here have said half the time the rest of us in the Holmesdale don't know what they are on about. And flippin'eck that drum is going to do my head-in...

There's no way to block posts from particular users on here is there?

Oops, want some ear protection?

I am going to take a big packet for the Villa game. The drummers are mental not having any.

All new songs have to start somewhere. There was a time when 'We love you' and 'when I was a young boy' fell into the category of 'we don't know what they're on about'. They have to be persistent if they're to catch on and I'm sure they will over the next couple of games. Especially now that the people sitting with them want to sing.

I've been in the same boat as you, but once you can work out the lyrics they're mostly pretty decent and original (for England anyway, mostly copied from European clubs).

canny believe anybody would moan about a better atmosphere at a football ground.

horses for courses i suppose.

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