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Tickled pink Cornwall 13 Mar 19 8.00pm
Originally posted by cryrst The cost to the nhs is paid for by smokers to be treated for a smoking related illness. About 2.5x more in tobacco tax than is spent. Just to put the record straight. ..every day tasks for a smoker become more difficult the longer they smoke long before they actually need help also the cost to industry and income is not included as it is impossible to equate due to differing reactions within a population, the cost is much much more then you realise and I'm not just talking about money, COPD is nasty and very cruel ..not just for the sufferer.
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Cornwall 13 Mar 19 8.00pm

Originally posted by cryrst

The cost to the nhs is paid for by smokers to be treated for a smoking related illness.
About 2.5x more in tobacco tax than is spent.
Just to put the record straight.

..every day tasks for a smoker become more difficult the longer they smoke long before they actually need help also the cost to industry and income is not included as it is impossible to equate due to differing reactions within a population, the cost is much much more then you realise and I'm not just talking about money, COPD is nasty and very cruel ..not just for the sufferer.

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cryrst The garden of England 13 Mar 19 10.15pm
Originally posted by Tickled pink ..every day tasks for a smoker become more difficult the longer they smoke long before they actually need help also the cost to industry and income is not included as it is impossible to equate due to differing reactions within a population, the cost is much much more then you realise and I'm not just talking about money, COPD is nasty and very cruel ..not just for the sufferer. No one disputes the health pitfalls for smokers. You have obviously had or have a close association to someone with COPD. Bad health can affect anyone and smoking is a potential catylist to that. Being brow beaten by anti smokers who may never have smoked is a tad annoying. You should try it; you might like it. Any how who wants to live for ever. 80 years old with no dough and just waiting for the grim reaper for the next 20 years. Sod that. Like another poster said, drinking costs so much more to the nhs. I beleive a high % of hospital admissions are drink related. Whether that primary or secondary.
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The garden of England 13 Mar 19 10.15pm

Originally posted by Tickled pink

No one disputes the health pitfalls for smokers.
You have obviously had or have a close association to someone with COPD.
Bad health can affect anyone and smoking is a potential catylist to that.
Being brow beaten by anti smokers who may never have smoked is a tad annoying.
You should try it; you might like it.
Any how who wants to live for ever.
80 years old with no dough and just waiting for the grim reaper for the next 20 years.
Sod that.
Like another poster said, drinking costs so much more to the nhs.
I beleive a high % of hospital admissions are drink related.
Whether that primary or secondary.

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Invalid user 2019 14 Mar 19 2.22am
Originally posted by cryrst No one disputes the health pitfalls for smokers. You have obviously had or have a close association to someone with COPD. Bad health can affect anyone and smoking is a potential catylist to that. Being brow beaten by anti smokers who may never have smoked is a tad annoying. You should try it; you might like it. Any how who wants to live for ever. 80 years old with no dough and just waiting for the grim reaper for the next 20 years. Sod that. Like another poster said, drinking costs so much more to the nhs. I beleive a high % of hospital admissions are drink related. Whether that primary or secondary. It's a selfish choice if someone has a family, not everything's about 'I pay my way with the NHS'. I don't believe in controlling what someone puts into their body. People should have the right to smoke, or drink, but the latter in excess is clearly dangerous is someone's driving for instance, and the former is one of the single worst things you can do for your health. Aside from being a pointless habit that damages your health it's important to factor in that damage is not only confined to you. If you tank your own health, real and very avoidable pain extends to your loved ones. And of course that's before getting into the health implications and selfishness of those parents who smoke around their children. It's clearly something this individual has had a sad experience with, as you acknowledge, and so following it up with this 'try it you might like it' style and how annoyed you are with non smokers, is rather crass. Edited by dollardays (14 Mar 2019 2.44am)
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14 Mar 19 2.22am

Originally posted by cryrst

No one disputes the health pitfalls for smokers.
You have obviously had or have a close association to someone with COPD.
Bad health can affect anyone and smoking is a potential catylist to that.
Being brow beaten by anti smokers who may never have smoked is a tad annoying.
You should try it; you might like it.
Any how who wants to live for ever.
80 years old with no dough and just waiting for the grim reaper for the next 20 years.
Sod that.
Like another poster said, drinking costs so much more to the nhs.
I beleive a high % of hospital admissions are drink related.
Whether that primary or secondary.

It's a selfish choice if someone has a family, not everything's about 'I pay my way with the NHS'.

I don't believe in controlling what someone puts into their body. People should have the right to smoke, or drink, but the latter in excess is clearly dangerous is someone's driving for instance, and the former is one of the single worst things you can do for your health.

Aside from being a pointless habit that damages your health it's important to factor in that damage is not only confined to you. If you tank your own health, real and very avoidable pain extends to your loved ones. And of course that's before getting into the health implications and selfishness of those parents who smoke around their children.

It's clearly something this individual has had a sad experience with, as you acknowledge, and so following it up with this 'try it you might like it' style and how annoyed you are with non smokers, is rather crass.

Edited by dollardays (14 Mar 2019 2.44am)

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Invalid user 2019 14 Mar 19 2.27am
Originally posted by Tickled pink It kills you slowly and it's an unpleasant and uncomfortable death, your breathing becomes more difficult as the years pass and because it can be slow it is unnoticeable, then one day you do notice it ..you have a little cough and you also notice that running or walking quickly makes you out of breath, if you manage to stop now you may be able to recover fully, but because tobacco is as powerful a drug as heroin doing that is extremely difficult. Peoples ability to work and just function normally is hugely reduced long long before they die, COPD is nasty! Heart failure and stroke is massively increased after ten plus years and increases more hugely as every year passes after ..and also the wonderful cancer ..everywhere! Not just the lungs, people often also have limbs removed if they do survive long enough through damaged circulation, the cost to the NHS is unbelievably ridiculous, you have no idea! ..and I've just scratched the surface! Yes I'm aware that starting to smoke isn't the best idea in the world for your health. It was more a theoretical point that if someone started smoking when they were old, or in a situation where their lifespan was going to be much shorter for some reason, that there probably wouldn't be any personal health implications or consequences for them due to smoking. I'd no much suggest someone start smoking than I would tell someone to drink 5 or 6 pints every night.
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14 Mar 19 2.27am

Originally posted by Tickled pink

It kills you slowly and it's an unpleasant and uncomfortable death, your breathing becomes more difficult as the years pass and because it can be slow it is unnoticeable, then one day you do notice it ..you have a little cough and you also notice that running or walking quickly makes you out of breath, if you manage to stop now you may be able to recover fully, but because tobacco is as powerful a drug as heroin doing that is extremely difficult.

Peoples ability to work and just function normally is hugely reduced long long before they die, COPD is nasty!
Heart failure and stroke is massively increased after ten plus years and increases more hugely as every year passes after ..and also the wonderful cancer ..everywhere! Not just the lungs, people often also have limbs removed if they do survive long enough through damaged circulation, the cost to the NHS is unbelievably ridiculous, you have no idea! ..and I've just scratched the surface!

Yes I'm aware that starting to smoke isn't the best idea in the world for your health. It was more a theoretical point that if someone started smoking when they were old, or in a situation where their lifespan was going to be much shorter for some reason, that there probably wouldn't be any personal health implications or consequences for them due to smoking.

I'd no much suggest someone start smoking than I would tell someone to drink 5 or 6 pints every night.

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cryrst The garden of England 14 Mar 19 6.18am
Originally posted by dollardays It's a selfish choice if someone has a family, not everything's about 'I pay my way with the NHS'. I don't believe in controlling what someone puts into their body. People should have the right to smoke, or drink, but the latter in excess is clearly dangerous is someone's driving for instance, and the former is one of the single worst things you can do for your health. Aside from being a pointless habit that damages your health it's important to factor in that damage is not only confined to you. If you tank your own health, real and very avoidable pain extends to your loved ones. And of course that's before getting into the health implications and selfishness of those parents who smoke around their children. It's clearly something this individual has had a sad experience with, as you acknowledge, and so following it up with this 'try it you might like it' style and how annoyed you are with non smokers, is rather crass. Edited by dollardays (14 Mar 2019 2.44am) They may like it though. Thats my point. Irrelavent of their own personal experiences. Choice is diminishing in life. If you dont want to do something perfectly legal fine but having a pop at people that do is certainly not fine.
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The garden of England 14 Mar 19 6.18am

Originally posted by dollardays

It's a selfish choice if someone has a family, not everything's about 'I pay my way with the NHS'.

Edited by dollardays (14 Mar 2019 2.44am)

They may like it though.
Thats my point.
Irrelavent of their own personal experiences.
Choice is diminishing in life.
If you dont want to do something perfectly legal fine but having a pop at people that do is certainly not fine.

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Midlands Eagle 14 Mar 19 7.20am
Originally posted by cryrst They may like it though. Thats my point. Really or do smokers just convince themselves that they like it? I was a heavy smoker for 40 years and I don't think I enjoyed any of the 584,000 that I smoked in that period although I convinced myself and others that I did. The first one in the morning (generally before I got out of bed) was mildly enjoyable but it went downhill from then onwards
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Originally posted by cryrst

They may like it though.
Thats my point.

Really or do smokers just convince themselves that they like it?

I was a heavy smoker for 40 years and I don't think I enjoyed any of the 584,000 that I smoked in that period although I convinced myself and others that I did.

The first one in the morning (generally before I got out of bed) was mildly enjoyable but it went downhill from then onwards

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Teddy Eagle 14 Mar 19 7.47am
I don’t drive and don’t see why anyone else has to either. Why is pollution so much worse in cities? Cars. Why can’t you walk? Or get a bus? Or a train? Look at all the people killed or injured in crashes when they could have been saving the planet and getting healthier. Why should other people be at risk from speeding maniacs? The fact that some people don’t own a car means that no one has to own one.
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14 Mar 19 7.47am

I don’t drive and don’t see why anyone else has to either. Why is pollution so much worse in cities? Cars. Why can’t you walk? Or get a bus? Or a train? Look at all the people killed or injured in crashes when they could have been saving the planet and getting healthier. Why should other people be at risk from speeding maniacs? The fact that some people don’t own a car means that no one has to own one.

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Midlands Eagle 14 Mar 19 7.59am
Originally posted by Teddy Eagle I don’t drive and don’t see why anyone else has to either. Why is pollution so much worse in cities? Cars. Why can’t you walk? Or get a bus? Or a train? Look at all the people killed or injured in crashes when they could have been saving the planet and getting healthier. Why should other people be at risk from speeding maniacs? The fact that some people don’t own a car means that no one has to own one. Getting from A to B is part of most peoples' daily lives and there can be achieved by various methods depending on distance and fitness. Smoking is a voluntary occupation so can't really be compared to something that most of us have to do
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Midlands Eagle

14 Mar 19 7.59am

Originally posted by Teddy Eagle

Getting from A to B is part of most peoples' daily lives and there can be achieved by various methods depending on distance and fitness.

Smoking is a voluntary occupation so can't really be compared to something that most of us have to do

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Teddy Eagle 14 Mar 19 8.12am
Originally posted by Midlands Eagle Getting from A to B is part of most peoples' daily lives and there can be achieved by various methods depending on distance and fitness. Smoking is a voluntary occupation so can't really be compared to something that most of us have to do ______________________________________________________ Driving a car is voluntary too and how many people living in a city have to do it? Yes it’s easier but it’s not essential. No one needs a 4 x 4 to get the shopping or drop their kids off at school. The point I’m trying to make is that people who would stop others from smoking are quite content to do something equally as pointless and far more expensive.
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Teddy Eagle

14 Mar 19 8.12am

Originally posted by Midlands Eagle

Getting from A to B is part of most peoples' daily lives and there can be achieved by various methods depending on distance and fitness.

Smoking is a voluntary occupation so can't really be compared to something that most of us have to do

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Driving a car is voluntary too and how many people living in a city have to do it? Yes it’s easier but it’s not essential. No one needs a 4 x 4 to get the shopping or drop their kids off at school.
The point I’m trying to make is that people who would stop others from smoking are quite content to do something equally as pointless and far more expensive.

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ASCPFC Pro-Cathedral/caravan park 14 Mar 19 9.12am
I'm thinking of giving up smoking. I'm not at all a heavy smoker - around 5 rollies a day. I'm worried about vaping as I don't want to be more addicted than I already am. My main reason to give up is my kids. My father never smoked but died of cancer when I was young. Has anyone tried giving up and vaping instead? Red and Blue Army!
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Pro-Cathedral/caravan park 14 Mar 19 9.12am

I'm thinking of giving up smoking. I'm not at all a heavy smoker - around 5 rollies a day. I'm worried about vaping as I don't want to be more addicted than I already am. My main reason to give up is my kids. My father never smoked but died of cancer when I was young.
Has anyone tried giving up and vaping instead?

Red and Blue Army!

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Midlands Eagle 14 Mar 19 10.03am
Originally posted by ASCPFC Has anyone tried giving up and vaping instead? I don't see the point. Vaping doesn't have any health concerns according to the people with vested interests but the older amongst us will remember a time when cigarettes weren't supposed to damage health either. How can any chemical inhaled into the lungs not be detrimental?
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Midlands Eagle

14 Mar 19 10.03am

Originally posted by ASCPFC

Has anyone tried giving up and vaping instead?

I don't see the point.

Vaping doesn't have any health concerns according to the people with vested interests but the older amongst us will remember a time when cigarettes weren't supposed to damage health either.

How can any chemical inhaled into the lungs not be detrimental?

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cryrst The garden of England 14 Mar 19 10.55am
Originally posted by Midlands Eagle Really or do smokers just convince themselves that they like it? I was a heavy smoker for 40 years and I don't think I enjoyed any of the 584,000 that I smoked in that period although I convinced myself and others that I did. The first one in the morning (generally before I got out of bed) was mildly enjoyable but it went downhill from then onwards But midland you are a grumpy old sod anyway. Apart from winding people up on here and CPFC is there ANYTHING you enjoy.
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The garden of England 14 Mar 19 10.55am

Originally posted by Midlands Eagle

Really or do smokers just convince themselves that they like it?

I was a heavy smoker for 40 years and I don't think I enjoyed any of the 584,000 that I smoked in that period although I convinced myself and others that I did.

The first one in the morning (generally before I got out of bed) was mildly enjoyable but it went downhill from then onwards

But midland you are a grumpy old sod anyway.
Apart from winding people up on here and CPFC is there ANYTHING you enjoy.

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