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ASCPFC Pro-Cathedral/caravan park 23 Jan 19 2.03pm | |
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Perhaps better to go back to the end of WW1 and actually invade Germany and defeat them properly? Reparations unnecessary as we could have split the country between the Allies. No doubt some lunatic would have done something though - don't they always?
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Hrolf The Ganger 23 Jan 19 2.05pm | |
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Originally posted by ChrisGC
Bang goes my ability to sleep at night! It's your reasoning ability I would worry about. Have you thought about what killing Hitler might cause? Never mind. I wouldn't want to overtax your mind and get blamed for your brain melting as well as insomnia.
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Hrolf The Ganger 23 Jan 19 2.10pm | |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
With all the sh1te that's coming down the pipe in the coming decades for our descendants....lets hope that they know that they have to face in the same direction and not at each other. But for now...I guess it doesn't matter that much. I suppose a more interesting and practical hypothetical is who you would kill in the present day. That might also give one better insight into how difficult it might be to kill an innocent baby in 1889. Edited by Hrolf The Ganger (23 Jan 2019 2.11pm)
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ChrisGC Wantage 23 Jan 19 2.29pm | |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
Have you thought about what killing Hitler might cause? Never mind. I wouldn't want to overtax your mind and get blamed for your brain melting as well as insomnia. Yes is clearly the answer for most sane people, not worrying about unquantifiable butterfly effects. Stick that in ya pipe and smoke it, assuming your brain hasn't melted! Edited by ChrisGC (23 Jan 2019 2.30pm)
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Hrolf The Ganger 23 Jan 19 2.36pm | |
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Originally posted by ChrisGC
Edited by ChrisGC (23 Jan 2019 2.30pm) But you would have to be worried about the butterfly effect. Otherwise, why would you be worried about killing Hitler in the first place based on his future behaviour? That would make no sense Einstein.
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ChrisGC Wantage 23 Jan 19 2.49pm | |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
But you would have to be worried about the butterfly effect. Otherwise, why would you be worried about killing Hitler in the first place based on his future behaviour? That would make no sense Einstein. The butterfly effect is a construct relating in theory to unknown ripples extending from your actions. It's pure supposition. You can't worry about what you don't know. You already know the consequence of letting the baby live, which is what you're looking to change. Nice attempt at digging yourself out of a hole, Chaplin.
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Hrolf The Ganger 23 Jan 19 2.57pm | |
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Originally posted by ChrisGC
The butterfly effect is a construct relating in theory to unknown ripples extending from your actions. It's pure supposition. You can't worry about what you don't know. You already know the consequence of letting the baby live, which is what you're looking to change. Nice attempt at digging yourself out of a hole, Chaplin. Give me strength. Yes, you know what letting him live would allow but you don't know if killing him might make matter worse. You don't have to know specifically how it might be worse, just that you could be responsible for say World War 3 in the '50s.
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Stirlingsays 23 Jan 19 3.03pm | |
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Originally posted by ChrisGC
The butterfly effect is a construct relating in theory to unknown ripples extending from your actions. It's pure supposition. You can't worry about what you don't know. You already know the consequence of letting the baby live, which is what you're looking to change. Nice attempt at digging yourself out of a hole, Chaplin.
You would have to stop the rise of Fascism from taking over Germany and Hitler was the figurehead not the cause....Hitler was the tip of that organisation, not the organistion itself. Killing baby Hitler is questionable as to whether it could have stopped those events. Far better than murdering a baby is to change the circumstances....make sure he enters art school. But the even bigger question centres around the discovery of the atom bomb. Edited by Stirlingsays (23 Jan 2019 3.06pm)
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Hrolf The Ganger 23 Jan 19 3.19pm | |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
You would have to stop the rise of Fascism from taking over Germany and Hitler was the figurehead not the cause....Hitler was the tip of that organisation, not the organistion itself. Killing baby Hitler is questionable as to whether it could have stopped those events. Far better than murdering a baby is to change the circumstances....make sure he enters art school. But the even bigger question centres around the discovery of the atom bomb. Edited by Stirlingsays (23 Jan 2019 3.06pm) I suppose it also asks a question about the inevitability of events when a civilization achieves a certain level of technology. One has to imagine that the answer is probably yes.
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Stirlingsays 23 Jan 19 4.05pm | |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
I suppose it also asks a question about the inevitability of events when a civilization achieves a certain level of technology. One has to imagine that the answer is probably yes.
I'm frequently angered by the knowledge that the governments of the last fifty years have done nothing....zero..in the way of providing some kind of shelter for their populations.....and they don't have the excuse of saying it's too expensive because other countries like Switzerland have.....Obviously we couldn't house everybody....but nothing has been provided...No realistic hope......Nothing. Anyway if it's not civilisations wiping themselves out....perhaps it's the highly unlikely event that we are the first major civilisation......It's highly unlikely given the age and size of the universe but I guess there would always have to be a first and they would also find it difficult to believe they were the first. Edited by Stirlingsays (23 Jan 2019 4.12pm)
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Hrolf The Ganger 23 Jan 19 6.30pm | |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
I'm frequently angered by the knowledge that the governments of the last fifty years have done nothing....zero..in the way of providing some kind of shelter for their populations.....and they don't have the excuse of saying it's too expensive because other countries like Switzerland have.....Obviously we couldn't house everybody....but nothing has been provided...No realistic hope......Nothing. Anyway if it's not civilisations wiping themselves out....perhaps it's the highly unlikely event that we are the first major civilisation......It's highly unlikely given the age and size of the universe but I guess there would always have to be a first and they would also find it difficult to believe they were the first. Edited by Stirlingsays (23 Jan 2019 4.12pm) I'd like to believe that the Fermi Paradox is a little pessimistic but clearly, it is very unlikely that any civilization will last for eternity. It is easy to imagine that levels of technology on any planet would be based on a similar discovery timeline to our own with space exploration and weapons of war being closely linked. Getting back to Adolf. It is fairly clear, given what we have discussed, that killing a baby would only change the details of events but not avoid the negatives.
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ChrisGC Wantage 23 Jan 19 9.27pm | |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
Give me strength. Yes, you know what letting him live would allow but you don't know if killing him might make matter worse. You don't have to know specifically how it might be worse, just that you could be responsible for say World War 3 in the '50s. You'd hold off killing HITLER in case it made matters WORSE?
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