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PatrickA London 13 Jan 19 10.25am | |
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Realistically Hodgson is not going to leave this season and it’s most unlikely he will change his ways so we have to accept more of the same going forward I.e a lack of tactical flexibility and a rigid conservatism.
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MonsterMunch Cambridge 13 Jan 19 10.31am | |
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Originally posted by PatrickA
Realistically Hodgson is not going to leave this season and it’s most unlikely he will change his ways so we have to accept more of the same going forward I.e a lack of tactical flexibility and a rigid conservatism. I agree with most of your assessment here. The issue for me is that he does not try or doing anything other than what he does week in week out. I also agree with Roys track record around utilising players available to him I would not be confident he would not leave them on the bench anyway for a significant period of time.
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WJK1960 13 Jan 19 11.04am | |
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Originally posted by gbox82
Big old chunk of hindsight in this post. I thought Kouyate had a really good game yesterday, him and Luka are a solid central midfield partnership. He does a lot of the unglamarous work and many times filled in for AWB at right back to allow him to bomb forward. I'm a fan of Meyer (and I suspect he would have come on had one of the subs having to be used for the goalkeeper) but do you think he would have stood a chance for 90 mins against their physical team? Ayew started because he has scored in his last 2 games for palace. We would be questioning the sanity of any manager had he then been dropped for a Wickham or a partially fit Benteke. That said, Benteke did give us a totally new dimension and whilst his record over the last couple of years isn't great I'm sure he will be starting once he is fit. It's always a gutting one to lose when you have the lead and end up losing the game, but Watford are a really strong mid-table team. I agree with the above. Watford are very physical and I thought Kouyate does a really important defensive job for us in those circumstances. Watford were definitely a cut above most of the mid and lower table teams we have played this season. But its fine margins - they have six points from our two games but there is very little between us. And much as we all dislike Deeney...what a shift he puts in, puts out strikers to shame quite frankly.
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Booted Eagle Bristol 13 Jan 19 12.08pm | |
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Originally posted by PatrickA
Realistically Hodgson is not going to leave this season and it’s most unlikely he will change his ways so we have to accept more of the same going forward I.e a lack of tactical flexibility and a rigid conservatism. Good points. Need to be set up to be a lot more attack minded in home games. Roy might be worried at how slow we start in the games, then he needs to pump up the players and get them switched on pre match. We look like we are trying to sneak wins.
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NEILLO Shoreham-by-Sea 13 Jan 19 12.32pm | |
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Our home record over the last few years is pretty appalling. Before Roy's arrival. It's all very well saying set the team up to be more attack minded, however I think we are more effective playing football on the break. But then the fans expect the home team to be forcing the issue - and we then struggle to unlock defences. I was as upset as anyone at the final whistle yesterday because having got away with a slow start and ahead through a lucky goal, we failed to get a second despite having all the chances in the first 15-20 minutes of the second half. If we had scored in that time, I think we would have won the game. Hodgson has had to contend with a lack of both quality and quantity in the forward positions from day one. Things may improve if/when Wickham and Benteke are fully fit, but let's not forget that Wickham is not a prolific goalscorer and Benteke may have been once, but it remains to be seen if he can ever recapture that sort of form. Yes, Roy has his faults, but I think there are mitigating circumstances behind his record this season. If he does go at the end of the season then some of you will have got your wish. And you can see what managerial masterstroke Steve Parish comes up with this time.
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bexleydave Barnehurst 13 Jan 19 12.50pm | |
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Originally posted by Midlands Eagle
I'm intrigued to know how you think that the "over expectations of their fans" will bring about their relegation Yeah, good question that. In any event, the only occassions that our club listens to supporters is when the HF want something; if they tell Parish to jump he just asks "how high?"
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Maine Eagle USA 13 Jan 19 2.45pm | |
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Originally posted by bexleydave
Yeah, good question that. In any event, the only occassions that our club listens to supporters is when the HF want something; if they tell Parish to jump he just asks "how high?" First he says he won’t jump. Then a rumour surfaces that he might jump. There is a lack of official communication about the jumping question. Then he does a 180 and says he will jump after all.
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Pigglelet Deepest Darkest Sussex 13 Jan 19 2.46pm | |
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I don’t think SP has any intention of getting rid of RH this season, but if we are in the relegation places at the end of February or let’s say after the Brighton home game on 9 March, he’ll have to act then surely. There will then be just eight games left to get us out of trouble and, if we are in that situation, RH clearly isn’t the man to do it. The problem is who would we get in to take over? I was disappointed that Hasenhüttl went to Southampton. I wouldn’t have minded him here. The Saints will get out of trouble easily. Five out of their next six league games are very winnable (and I’m including their game against us unfortunately).
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Maine Eagle USA 13 Jan 19 2.51pm | |
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Originally posted by NEILLO
Our home record over the last few years is pretty appalling. Before Roy's arrival. It's all very well saying set the team up to be more attack minded, however I think we are more effective playing football on the break. But then the fans expect the home team to be forcing the issue - and we then struggle to unlock defences. I was as upset as anyone at the final whistle yesterday because having got away with a slow start and ahead through a lucky goal, we failed to get a second despite having all the chances in the first 15-20 minutes of the second half. If we had scored in that time, I think we would have won the game. Hodgson has had to contend with a lack of both quality and quantity in the forward positions from day one. Things may improve if/when Wickham and Benteke are fully fit, but let's not forget that Wickham is not a prolific goalscorer and Benteke may have been once, but it remains to be seen if he can ever recapture that sort of form. Yes, Roy has his faults, but I think there are mitigating circumstances behind his record this season. If he does go at the end of the season then some of you will have got your wish. And you can see what managerial masterstroke Steve Parish comes up with this time. Agree. We are not a side whose philosophy involves a lot of possession, we are a team that likes to break. It appeared in Max Meyer we might have a player who can unlock a resolute defense but Hodgson still doesn’t fancy him in home games vs the likes of Watford. Speaking of one of those masterstrokes, this is why FDB didn’t quite work out. Wickham and Benteke are pretty goal shy, but at least they can defend set pieces a lot better than someone like Ayew. Benteke is a beast in the air in our box defensively. Having shipped 2 goals from set pieces we might think about that. Roy showed his hand with giving tekkers time and not Wickham. Benteke will be starting soon here.
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timmyb Banstead 13 Jan 19 3.16pm | |
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Originally posted by Midlands Eagle
I'm intrigued to know how you think that the "over expectations of their fans" will bring about their relegation [/quote My bad. Thought it was well - established that Newcastle fans brought trouble on themselves with their over-inflated view of where their club ought to be...it was a problem long before Mike Ashley took over. Few here would disagree that Pardew was retained longer than he merited. Some might argue the same for Frank da Dutchman! But the suggestion that Hodgson needs to go is more akin to firing Bobby Robson (and regretting it for a long time afterwards) On the basis of recent home games where we created 30 chances plus a game and converted barely any, it's right to argue that all that is needed is a goalscorer. (Isn't that every club's biggest need - hence the over - pricing of decent centre forwards?) I would rather Roy were at the helm than Holloway, Pulis, Pardew, FDB and N Warnock (for whom I retain a great fondness). I'm not quite sure who the ideal Palace manager is and even if does he exists, would he come?
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PatrickA London 13 Jan 19 3.49pm | |
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I’m no fan of Pulis but would argue that he did a better job than Hodgson is doing this season (as opposed to last season).
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timmyb Banstead 13 Jan 19 4.08pm | |
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Originally posted by PatrickA
"I’m no fan of Pulis but would argue that he did a better job than Hodgson is doing this season (as opposed to last season)" But this is almost a definition of short - termism! The most bizarre thing about the last 7 years is that we have gone up and stayed up with an average of one manager a year. Every measure of common sense would suggest that this is unsustainable. I'm not sure that apart from when Murray, Wilf and Bolassie were terrorising champiionship teams we have ever created 30 plus chances in home games. Woeful finishing is making Roy's work look sub - par. Yesterday's game should have been put to bed long before Watford's comeback.
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