That's fine, because for every repeat of what I consider a mischaracterisation of my views you will receive the same in return.

I walked back the idea that I was specifically accusing this individual. I made it specifically about the holistic statistics.....so again, that's disingenerous.

Anyone I've called far left who objected I've asked for where they differed in opinions from them. I've either in the case of one individual not received a reply or in the case of Maple I stopped doing it purely on account of how much it seemed to annoy him.

I have no desire to deliberately mischaracterise an individual as you do.

Here you go again. You completely mischaracterise my attitude towards this couple and I'm angry.

My commentary on IQ is factual. My thoughts as to what should be done about it is open to debate.

Yes I support the Proud Boys. This does not mean I condone everything they do. Groups ban individuals from within their ranks all the time.

Edited by Stirlingsays (20 Dec 2018 1.28pm)

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

After initially calling his claims that where he lives isn't some kind of pressing desire to be around whites 'talking nonsense', even your walkback of that stated that every single person involved in white flight would make the exact same denial. That's a more factual take on what was said.

You essentially walked back what you initially said about the couple too. You should take up moonwalking. You initially appeared far more angry about government intervention with this couple than you are known to be with far more beneign couples raising children. Maybe I'm 'angry' about that? That is not particularly palatable or reasonable.

As for the IQ points, If you muse about giving non Europeans coming into the country an IQ test as something you might favour, then expect people to have a view on that.

And as for the Proud Boys, one of their tenets involves violence and they are acknowledged by the FBI to have violent right far right elements.

My point is, if you're going to be perpetually outraged about ANTIFA and the like, then why exactly would you be, if you're a big fan of comparable groups on the other side of the political spectrum. I can happily say that both of these groups are something we could do without, because their very nature attracts fringe types wishing to engage in violence.

Looks like I lost that bet with Stirling then.

It's good for the soul to be wrong occasionally and my soul is long overdue for a top up.

Are you saying that Gusset wrote a couple of DMs to you or that I did? If you're suggesting the latter then that is certainly something that never happened.

Yes, you see I'll take account of what someone says to me and if I feel I should alter or 'walk back' something I'm man enough to do it.

'Appeared'....there's mystic meg Tawny again.

I was concerned about the child of this couple. I certainly think the state have been heavy handed and potentially damaged this child emotionally in very important formative years where a child needs its father and mother.

This couple had been jailed for six and five years. I'll repeat that....six and five years for no physical offence....For beliefs based upon appalling statements.

I agreed from the start that this couple both needed intervention with their child from social workers and also needed community service until they showed geniune remorse for this incitement to violence.

I had no knowledge of a threat to a child.....You repeated this connection several times when I had made no comment on it and professed no knowledge of it. It demonstrates how disingenuous you are. A commonality you share with WordUp, which is why, rightly or wrongly, I made that identification.

I have no affinity with people who celebrate Hitler. You made that statement and conflated it with my views in other areas.

You deserve criticism and should be walking back what you said.....angry are you? I'm fecking furious.

I recognise it's a controversial view and I refined it within the consequential discussion. I have no issues with sensible debate on it. You bought it up seemingly in support of your alt right 'obsession', I didn't.

Again, you bought up the Proud Boys in this discussion, not me.

I haven't mentioned Antifa for quite a while actually. They are themselves an official domestic terrorist group of course....As far as I'm aware the Proud Boys aren't an official domestic terrorist group.

As far as I know, the only incidents where the Proud Boys have deliberately engaged in violence has been in situations where Antifa are looking to attack events that they disapprove of.

Outside of that I support them for what they were created for, a group celebrating 'western chauvinism'. They are a pushback against radical feminism and those pushing 'toxic masculinity'.

They don't support those looking to attack innocent people causing nobody any harm and either do I.

Still, because you are disingenuous and want to play mystic meg with no walking back, you make those connections because that's clearly your MO.

Edited by Stirlingsays (20 Dec 2018 5.08pm)

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

He messaged me several times whining on about freedom of speech, suggesting that I was somehow responsible for Gusset's ban and the fact that the mods had removed some of his posts. He was quitting HOL as a result.

The dude was a bit bonkers. He might even have been a glove puppet.