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Hrolf The Ganger 03 Oct 18 9.37pm
Originally posted by .TUX. As well as wages for 90% of us. True but without it we would have no wages at all. Would you prefer, hunter gathering? Feudalism? The system relies on greed to function. It is the desire to have more that drives most entrepreneurialism. Without the ability to compete, the system fails. Any manipulation to create more equality threatens the incentive to excel. The only system where greater equality is possible would be founded on virtually free resources. Even then the desire to be 'wealthier' than another in some way would survive. In short, there will never be true equality.
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Originally posted by .TUX.

As well as wages for 90% of us.

True but without it we would have no wages at all.
Would you prefer, hunter gathering? Feudalism?

The system relies on greed to function. It is the desire to have more that drives most entrepreneurialism. Without the ability to compete, the system fails. Any manipulation to create more equality threatens the incentive to excel.
The only system where greater equality is possible would be founded on virtually free resources. Even then the desire to be 'wealthier' than another in some way would survive. In short, there will never be true equality.

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Stirlingsays 04 Oct 18 12.18am
Originally posted by .TUX. Neither are perfect but the Capitalists are well ahead in 'bone-count' methinks (needless wars etc etc). Capitalism only works because it makes the majority believe that they are doing well in comparison when in fact they really aren't. Can't say I'd agree with that one goodfella. Edited by Stirlingsays (04 Oct 2018 3.08am) 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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04 Oct 18 12.18am

Originally posted by .TUX.

Neither are perfect but the Capitalists are well ahead in 'bone-count' methinks (needless wars etc etc).
Capitalism only works because it makes the majority believe that they are doing well in comparison when in fact they really aren't.

Can't say I'd agree with that one goodfella.

Edited by Stirlingsays (04 Oct 2018 3.08am)

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Stirlingsays 04 Oct 18 12.25am
Originally posted by .TUX. Capitalism is no different as it also only benefits the few along with hindering progress for all for the sake of these very same vested interests. I'll say again, Capitalism only works because it makes the majority believe* that they are doing well in comparison when in fact they really aren't.* Look at the graphs on the first post. You will see that as the percentages of countries becoming democratic increased (which is capitalist) then so things like literacy, vaccination improves and things like child mortality and extreme poverty go down. People are doing better in capitalism compared to any other system. Edited by Stirlingsays (04 Oct 2018 3.09am) 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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04 Oct 18 12.25am

Originally posted by .TUX.

Capitalism is no different as it also only benefits the few along with hindering progress for all for the sake of these very same vested interests.
I'll say again, Capitalism only works because it makes the majority believe that they are doing well in comparison when in fact they really aren't.

Look at the graphs on the first post. You will see that as the percentages of countries becoming democratic increased (which is capitalist) then so things like literacy, vaccination improves and things like child mortality and extreme poverty go down.

People are doing better in capitalism compared to any other system.

Edited by Stirlingsays (04 Oct 2018 3.09am)

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cryrst The garden of England 04 Oct 18 5.57am
Originally posted by steeleye20 Education and taking people out of poverty leads to less increase in births, not more. There is only one system really out there namely capitalism and it is failing half the world it seems. Why can't capitalism have a human charitable face what is it's purpose but greed. So it is failing half the world. That means half is ok then Not a great % but the other way round would mean the now ok% would then be failed. Cant see the logic in that TBH Unless its a case of now you know how we felt.
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The garden of England 04 Oct 18 5.57am

Originally posted by steeleye20

Education and taking people out of poverty leads to less increase in births, not more.

There is only one system really out there namely capitalism and it is failing half the world it seems.

Why can't capitalism have a human charitable face what is it's purpose but greed.

So it is failing half the world.
That means half is ok then
Not a great % but the other way round would mean the now ok% would then be failed.
Cant see the logic in that TBH
Unless its a case of now you know how we felt.

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DanH SW2 04 Oct 18 8.33am
If you lot were true capitalists you’d be bang behind the EU and the free movement of goods, services and labour.
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SW2 04 Oct 18 8.33am

If you lot were true capitalists you’d be bang behind the EU and the free movement of goods, services and labour.

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Badger11 Beckenham 04 Oct 18 8.42am
Originally posted by DanH If you lot were true capitalists you’d be bang behind the EU and the free movement of goods, services and labour. If I was a true capitalist I would abolish the NHS, all state support for people the minimum wage, workers rights etc. Capitalism in its truest form is survival of the fittest so the weak, the poor and the sick should just be left to die. I don't know any capitalist who actually believes that. We live in a "mixed economy" or if you like a watered down version of capitalism. Oh and the last thing the EU is about is freedom. One more point
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Beckenham 04 Oct 18 8.42am

Originally posted by DanH

If you lot were true capitalists you’d be bang behind the EU and the free movement of goods, services and labour.

If I was a true capitalist I would abolish the NHS, all state support for people the minimum wage, workers rights etc. Capitalism in its truest form is survival of the fittest so the weak, the poor and the sick should just be left to die.

I don't know any capitalist who actually believes that. We live in a "mixed economy" or if you like a watered down version of capitalism. Oh and the last thing the EU is about is freedom.

One more point

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steeleye20 Croydon 04 Oct 18 9.36am
Originally posted by Badger11 If I was a true capitalist I would abolish the NHS, all state support for people the minimum wage, workers rights etc. Capitalism in its truest form is survival of the fittest so the weak, the poor and the sick should just be left to die. I don't know any capitalist who actually believes that. We live in a "mixed economy" or if you like a watered down version of capitalism. Oh and the last thing the EU is about is freedom. Freedom of movement is a fundamental freedom to live and work where I wish in the EU. Why should it be taken from us, what for. Brexiteers are lemmings diving over the cliff.
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Croydon 04 Oct 18 9.36am

Originally posted by Badger11

I don't know any capitalist who actually believes that. We live in a "mixed economy" or if you like a watered down version of capitalism. Oh and the last thing the EU is about is freedom.

Freedom of movement is a fundamental freedom to live and work where I wish in the EU.

Why should it be taken from us, what for.

Brexiteers are lemmings diving over the cliff.

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Deleted11 04 Oct 18 9.39am
Originally posted by steeleye20 Education and taking people out of poverty leads to less increase in births, not more. There is only one system really out there namely capitalism and it is failing half the world it seems. Why can't capitalism have a human charitable face what is it's purpose but greed. The problem then isn't really capitalism, it's democracy. I do actually rate Corbyn, even though he may not have all his facts and figures to hand, but let's say he gets in and tries to implement his vision. It could all be thrown out in 4 years time. I'd much rather we had a referendum on what our goals as a country are, almost like a sort of constitution and any leaders we have couldn't create this 50/50 divide we have at the moment. They are either good at their jobs or they get booted out within a year.
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Deleted11 04 Oct 18 9.39am

Originally posted by steeleye20

Education and taking people out of poverty leads to less increase in births, not more.

There is only one system really out there namely capitalism and it is failing half the world it seems.

Why can't capitalism have a human charitable face what is it's purpose but greed.

The problem then isn't really capitalism, it's democracy. I do actually rate Corbyn, even though he may not have all his facts and figures to hand, but let's say he gets in and tries to implement his vision. It could all be thrown out in 4 years time. I'd much rather we had a referendum on what our goals as a country are, almost like a sort of constitution and any leaders we have couldn't create this 50/50 divide we have at the moment. They are either good at their jobs or they get booted out within a year.

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steeleye20 Croydon 04 Oct 18 10.22am
I am all for democracy, provided people are not allowed to vote. I believe recent history backs me up on this one.......
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Croydon 04 Oct 18 10.22am

I am all for democracy, provided people are not allowed to vote.

I believe recent history backs me up on this one.......

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Stirlingsays 04 Oct 18 10.30am
Originally posted by steeleye20 Freedom of movement is a fundamental freedom to live and work where I wish in the EU. Why should it be taken from us, what for. Brexiteers are lemmings diving over the cliff. Freedom of movement is the opposite of national borders. You can't have it because there is no country called Europe and the UK has opted out of that project. It's taken from you because the majority don't want unfiltered immigration to be seen as positive and the majority can see the coming integration and massive state centralisation and anti democratic power base that comes with the EU and that will only get worse down the line. You can always move to a EU country and have all these benefits.....as you see them. Edited by Stirlingsays (04 Oct 2018 10.32am) 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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04 Oct 18 10.30am

Originally posted by steeleye20

Freedom of movement is a fundamental freedom to live and work where I wish in the EU.

Why should it be taken from us, what for.

Brexiteers are lemmings diving over the cliff.

Freedom of movement is the opposite of national borders.

You can't have it because there is no country called Europe and the UK has opted out of that project.

It's taken from you because the majority don't want unfiltered immigration to be seen as positive and the majority can see the coming integration and massive state centralisation and anti democratic power base that comes with the EU and that will only get worse down the line.

You can always move to a EU country and have all these benefits.....as you see them.

Edited by Stirlingsays (04 Oct 2018 10.32am)

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PalazioVecchio south pole 04 Oct 18 10.34am
Originally posted by steeleye20 Brexiteers are lemmings diving over the cliff. Remainers are frog in denial of their abode in a pot of warm water on a cooker. Kayla did Anfield & Old Trafford
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Originally posted by steeleye20

Brexiteers are lemmings diving over the cliff.

Remainers are frog in denial of their abode in a pot of warm water on a cooker.

Kayla did Anfield & Old Trafford

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Stirlingsays 04 Oct 18 10.39am
Originally posted by DanH If you lot were true capitalists you’d be bang behind the EU and the free movement of goods, services and labour. You can understand how capitalism is positive while understanding that if it's unregulated there are harmful affects. 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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04 Oct 18 10.39am

Originally posted by DanH

If you lot were true capitalists you’d be bang behind the EU and the free movement of goods, services and labour.

You can understand how capitalism is positive while understanding that if it's unregulated there are harmful affects.

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