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Labour’s workers dividends plan
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 Penge Eagle  Beckenham 27 Sep 18 12.11am |
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Originally posted by serial thriller
Look at what I was responding to. 1/3 of Mps ever have gone to a single university of the hundreds in this country. How can you argue there is any fairness in that? There are no laws blocking people who have studied outside of the leading universities from becoming an MP. People make choices from their free will, there's no conspiracy against working class. Only Marxists blame the bourgeoisie for their failings, the rest of us work harder. Quote
You are essentially arguing in favour of the status quo, even though you claim to not trust them when it comes to immigration. I don't trust ANY government, but trust Labour least. Quote
This status quo has brought us an annihilation of all social services. It has lead to the biggest wage deflation since the Napoelonic wars and even public workers like the police and the army are protesting at the lack of investment. The private companies who have taken their place have given us sh*t bins, sh*t schools and a sh*t security service. And sh*t trains while I'm at it. Government sucks at most things and do worse than any private company the vast majority of the time. You are probably too young to remember how crap British Rail was. Police and army will ALWAYS complain about cuts and I'd have to look at this on a case by case basis instead of making a sweeping generalisation whether the cuts are right or wrong. Do you know the cost to the taxpayer of re-nationalising everything you want? Quote
Keep banging your racist drum and claiming to speak for the people. But a lot of people see right through the BS that immigration is the reason this society's going down the drain. They see that the real issue, is capitalism. Discussing immigration control doesn't make one a racist. Certain elements of society are going down the pan due to multiple reasons and other elements of society have been vastly improved due to capitalism. Capitalism is not perfect, but it's by far the best system we have. Socialism and communism has not only led to the death of millions of people. But it has left every country WORSE off afterwards. It doesn't work and never will do. Can you give me examples of a successful socialist countries? Because of capitalism, the number of people living in extreme poverty across the world has decreased by 80 percent between 1970 and 2006. Because of capitalism, the mortality rates for children under the age of five has decreased by 49 percent between 1990 and 2013 due to improved access to medicine. Because of capitalism, you are wearing Nike trainers and speaking on an iPhone, while drinking a Starbucks coffee. It's totally crazy to dismiss capitalism while enjoying all of its fruits. Edited by Penge Eagle (27 Sep 2018 12.39am)
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croydon proud  Any european country i fancy! 27 Sep 18 12.45am |
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Originally posted by YT
Please provide a note of your source for this specific data, as I'd be interested to read the information in full. Thanks in anticipation. Its a shocking statistic isn"t it! The figures been around for years, thats not new news, the real question i have always asked is, if 4000 bankers get over one million bonus every year, how many get say half a million or quarter of a million? I took a fare in the city one christmas , a young city worker, about 18, and he was in a bad mood, i asked him what was up? He, said, he just been told what his bonus for christmas was and it was only 11 grand! I said its not to bad as its a bonus after all, but he was expecting a lot more thats for sure! The 4k earning a million bonus isn"t a secret, the way they spend it obviously is up to them but i remember reading in the standard one christmas about buying the flats off plan!
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| croydon proud Any european country i fancy! 27 Sep 18 12.57am |
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Originally posted by elgrande
I'm a 100% behind the black cabs on this. Yes , it was Cameron, osborne and boris, thou boris didnt want any part of it as it was illegal but got a call from osborne one night telling him to keep stum, and he did, suprisingly the daily mail carried the whole story, and even how cameron"s sons godmother was head of uber in england!Bunch of corrupt c***s, all got shares in blackrock, including teresa mays husband, 600000 i think!And when uber had their day in court a few months back, and won, it was a lady judge who oversaw it, ruled on it, who"s husband was a baron, given his title by his good friend cameron, she"s now had to step down from hearing anymore uber related cases, she was heading 6! papers have been back in court this week to overview the ruling as a conflict of interest with the CONservative barons wife been appointed judge on the CONservative loving uber case!
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| serial thriller The Promised Land 27 Sep 18 8.45am |
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Originally posted by Penge Eagle
Discussing immigration control doesn't make one a racist. Certain elements of society are going down the pan due to multiple reasons and other elements of society have been vastly improved due to capitalism. Capitalism is not perfect, but it's by far the best system we have. Socialism and communism has not only led to the death of millions of people. But it has left every country WORSE off afterwards. It doesn't work and never will do. Can you give me examples of a successful socialist countries? Because of capitalism, the number of people living in extreme poverty across the world has decreased by 80 percent between 1970 and 2006. Because of capitalism, the mortality rates for children under the age of five has decreased by 49 percent between 1990 and 2013 due to improved access to medicine. Because of capitalism, you are wearing Nike trainers and speaking on an iPhone, while drinking a Starbucks coffee. It's totally crazy to dismiss capitalism while enjoying all of its fruits. Edited by Penge Eagle (27 Sep 2018 12.39am) People now have a choice in this country. We can go on scapegoating the vulnerable (see your defence of fascists on the other thread: 'you import the third world, you get the third world'), while trying to defend an economic system that increasingly detached ourselves from each other and has lead to great anxiety within the population. Or we can hold those at the top who have runaway with vast tracts of public wealth accountable, and use some of the wealth they have acquired to restructure society and rebuild community. We finally have a party willing to fight for this.
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| Deleted11 27 Sep 18 10.30am | |
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I sort of agree with both sides on the argument of who we vote for. My point was mainly an observation and not an argument for one thing or the other.
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| the.universal 27 Sep 18 12.08pm |
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Originally posted by Jway89
I sort of agree with both sides on the argument of who we vote for. My point was mainly an observation and not an argument for one thing or the other. I’d agree communism doesn’t seem to work without totalitarianism. Capitalism seems more in line with the way nature works ie survival of the fittest. I think this is the main reason for it being the dominant ideology in the world. Communism is an artificial constraint that needs to be enforced.
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| Penge Eagle Beckenham 27 Sep 18 12.15pm |
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Originally posted by serial thriller
People now have a choice in this country. We can go on scapegoating the vulnerable (see your defence of fascists on the other thread: 'you import the third world, you get the third world'), while trying to defend an economic system that increasingly detached ourselves from each other and has lead to great anxiety within the population. Or we can hold those at the top who have runaway with vast tracts of public wealth accountable, and use some of the wealth they have acquired to restructure society and rebuild community. We finally have a party willing to fight for this. You've not answered any of my questions. Facts don't care about feelings.
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| croydon proud Any european country i fancy! 27 Sep 18 1.50pm |
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Originally posted by the.universal
Could you let me know where I can get a flat in central London for £250k. Cheers. Like i said, it was a long time its been going on, and when i read it, in the standard i think, long before ozzy turned it in to a CON propoganda machine, you could get four flats for 1 million, granted not all in central zone!
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cryrst  The garden of England 27 Sep 18 9.02pm |
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Originally posted by serial thriller
People now have a choice in this country. We can go on scapegoating the vulnerable (see your defence of fascists on the other thread: 'you import the third world, you get the third world'), while trying to defend an economic system that increasingly detached ourselves from each other and has lead to great anxiety within the population. Or we can hold those at the top who have runaway with vast tracts of public wealth accountable, and use some of the wealth they have acquired to restructure society and rebuild community. We finally have a party willing to fight for this. So TAKE the wealth from the rich and give it to the poor.
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| serial thriller The Promised Land 28 Sep 18 7.36am |
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Originally posted by cryrst
So TAKE the wealth from the rich and give it to the poor. Firstly, nothing Labour are proposing doesn't have precedent. They will raise corporation tax, but it would remain lower than it was under Thatcher. Workers on boards is practiced by several high street companies already, and there is nothing in their proposals more radical than what is practiced in most Nordic countries. Of course there will be people who, like at any point in history when wealth has been attempted to be redistributed, prophecy doom. But you don't have to be a historian to see this can work. The NHS, the welfare state, the minimum wage, state libraries and schools all are modern phenomena, created out of a public appetite to raise the standards of the poor in this country. This isn't Zimbabwe style. We have a crisis in this country and people want some bloody hope and investment. You now even have Goldman Sachs former executives coming out and cautiously defending Labour policy, so even the establishment are beginning to accept it. Edited by serial thriller (28 Sep 2018 7.52am)
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| cryrst The garden of England 28 Sep 18 10.30am |
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Originally posted by serial thriller
Firstly, nothing Labour are proposing doesn't have precedent. They will raise corporation tax, but it would remain lower than it was under Thatcher. Workers on boards is practiced by several high street companies already, and there is nothing in their proposals more radical than what is practiced in most Nordic countries. Of course there will be people who, like at any point in history when wealth has been attempted to be redistributed, prophecy doom. But you don't have to be a historian to see this can work. The NHS, the welfare state, the minimum wage, state libraries and schools all are modern phenomena, created out of a public appetite to raise the standards of the poor in this country. This isn't Zimbabwe style. We have a crisis in this country and people want some bloody hope and investment. You now even have Goldman Sachs former executives coming out and cautiously defending Labour policy, so even the establishment are beginning to accept it. Edited by serial thriller (28 Sep 2018 7.52am) So taking from the wealthy then!?
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| Badger11 Beckenham 28 Sep 18 2.39pm |
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Back to the dividend plan and worker share ownership. As I mentioned previously it is Corbyn's plan for compulsion I have an issue with not the principle. I would be in favour of Labour changing the way companies bid for government / public work. For example you can only bid for contracts if you have signed up to Labour "workers rights" plan. That would also include companies having to offer proper apprenticeship schemes. If companies didn't want to do this then don't bid.
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