how about human rights for the victims of crime ?

defend yourself from a burglar, and get chased out of your home by a gang ?

Kayla did Anfield & Old Trafford

Which religion?

Why is everyone on this site always using every excuse to accuse Islam of being at the root of all evil

The people that did this were Slovaks. Perhaps they are Slovak Muslims. When I worked there I have to say I didn't see much sign of Muslim extremism. But then I also didn't see or hear of any acid attacks either.

This isn't a thread about my philosophy

It is about an attack, probably using acid, by what appears to be an angry controlling husband presumably having paid hired thugs to use the most frightening weapon they could conceive.

It also isn't a thread about your perception of Islam

But, for the record, I am not stupid enough to assume that all Islamic creeds are the same. The Sunnis and Shias parted nearly 1,400 years ago. Salafists sprung up in the 19th century.

When you talk of Muslims which are you asking about?

Do you think the Amish, Baptists and Catholics are effectively the same people, they are all Christian.

Your antipathy to Muslims is just about you, not about Islam itself. It results in you picking a fight with 1.8bn people. Good luck with that one. To you no doubt each is the same. Try finding a Muslim and talking to him or her about football, they are just ordinary people.

You notice that the progressives don't have such issues when it comes to referring to what they think is the far right.

But suddenly when it comes to Islam.....out comes the nuance.

Those points are rubbish anyway. What matters is the attitude towards integration, where the allegiance lies and attitudes towards western values.

He can't point to any difference between the socially conservative sects in Islam towards these matters......The reformist sects like Sufism....a branch that is perfectly acceptable...just like secular Islam is.....Well Sufism is a tiny sect in Islam and it's prosecuted across the Islamic world.

Edited by Stirlingsays (26 Jul 2018 9.39pm)

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

And here is in your first sentence the problem
Your philosophy is different to your opinion.
Words will fit a sentence to suit an answer which in turn suits a swerve.
Your opinion maple, not your philosophy.

Roma gypsies originate from India & pakistan, their religion is split evenly between Christian, Muslim & Hindu.

Having seen a few roma camps up close in Slovakia, its a bit of an eye opener as to the utter s*** holes they live in, proper shanty Town stuff.

The thing about the Roma's I've spoken to (as well as the Slovaks who live close to the roma camps) - as a bloc they refuse to integrate, they're committed to holding onto the good & bad within their culture & really don't give a f*** about the law or anyone else.
Of course there are a fair few who are desperate to work & integrate but find it incredibly hard to do so.

Plenty of money is thrown at them each year with very little progress made & this is a huge reason why there is a central European alliance of countries that have told the EU to get f***ed over immigration quotas.
Its already costing them enough.

Mostly back on topic.
Vitriol has made a spectacular comeback in this country & its pretty clear where this cultural enrichment has been revived from.

Import the 3rd world & you're going to get the 3rd world.

The mountains are calling & I must go.