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chris123 hove actually 01 Apr 18 3.08pm
Originally posted by spartakev2 Here we go again. Another thread hijacked and ruined. Time to close it down again. Is this your first post?
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hove actually 01 Apr 18 3.08pm

Originally posted by spartakev2

Here we go again. Another thread hijacked and ruined. Time to close it down again.

Is this your first post?

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Spiderman Horsham 01 Apr 18 6.50pm
Originally posted by Willo I totally refute the allegation that Swarbrick cheated in not awarding a second yellow card.I will certainly defend Swarbrick against this charge.One can only speculate as to his thinking but it was certainly not influenced by any so called "Big club bias" or external influences and all that hogwash. He will have to explain his decision as part of his post-match analysis. And you can prove this how? or are you just speculating? Edited by Willo (01 Apr 2018 12.43pm)
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Horsham 01 Apr 18 6.50pm

Originally posted by Willo

I totally refute the allegation that Swarbrick cheated in not awarding a second yellow card.I will certainly defend Swarbrick against this charge.One can only speculate as to his thinking but it was certainly not influenced by any so called "Big club bias" or external influences and all that hogwash.

He will have to explain his decision as part of his post-match analysis.

And you can prove this how? or are you just speculating?

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chateauferret 01 Apr 18 7.42pm
Originally posted by Willo I have consistently said that referees DO err from time to time - they are not always right. On average they make approx 245 decisions in a game and make on average 5 mistakes which means they are right 98% of the time. I refer to previous analysis and evidence which I posted demonstrating that around 25% of matches are affected by major decisions being called wrongly by referees. I am not going to repeat it all here but suffice it to say that you're using statistics to massively distort the truth. And I long ago stopped reading anything you post which contains the word "forensically" or "scrutinise". As for Mane, he handled the ball to stop Cabaye's attack and tried to pass it off as mistakenly thinking he'd been given a free kick. He's a professional footballer so he knows damn well that you play to the whistle. Hands up anyone who thinks Cabaye would have been afforded the same latitude if the roles were reversed. Edited by chateauferret (01 Apr 2018 7.46pm) ============ The Ferret ============
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01 Apr 18 7.42pm

Originally posted by Willo

I have consistently said that referees DO err from time to time - they are not always right.

On average they make approx 245 decisions in a game and make on average 5 mistakes which means they are right 98% of the time.

I refer to previous analysis and evidence which I posted demonstrating that around 25% of matches are affected by major decisions being called wrongly by referees. I am not going to repeat it all here but suffice it to say that you're using statistics to massively distort the truth.

And I long ago stopped reading anything you post which contains the word "forensically" or "scrutinise".

As for Mane, he handled the ball to stop Cabaye's attack and tried to pass it off as mistakenly thinking he'd been given a free kick. He's a professional footballer so he knows damn well that you play to the whistle.

Hands up anyone who thinks Cabaye would have been afforded the same latitude if the roles were reversed.

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IMilburn Chiang Rai / Rayong 01 Apr 18 11.53pm
I have seen those statistics too; indeed the latest claim is that they are right 99.2% of the time. However, they are not independent statistics but are produced by Professional Game Match Officials Limited, the organisation headed by Mike Riley which provides the referees to the FA and Football League. Originally posted by Willo I have consistently said that referees DO err from time to time - they are not always right. On average they make approx 245 decisions in a game and make on average 5 mistakes which means they are right 98% of the time.
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Chiang Rai / Rayong 01 Apr 18 11.53pm

I have seen those statistics too; indeed the latest claim is that they are right 99.2% of the time. However, they are not independent statistics but are produced by Professional Game Match Officials Limited, the organisation headed by Mike Riley which provides the referees to the FA and Football League.

Originally posted by Willo

I have consistently said that referees DO err from time to time - they are not always right.

On average they make approx 245 decisions in a game and make on average 5 mistakes which means they are right 98% of the time.

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michaelpearce grays 02 Apr 18 7.10am
Look a ref makes a mistake and we lose its the refs fault, not the 2 glaring chances our striker had or poor defending, yes he got it wrong, i drink with 2 ex refs and 1 whos son will next season will be a referee in the 4th tier,all said he got that wrong,this will be highlighted in the match report for failing to give a card for deliberate handball as per the guide lines. at the end of the day we lost because we made more mistakes than the ref that is the bottom line,also our record against 10 men is not good And remember there not on 50,000+ a week
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grays 02 Apr 18 7.10am

Look a ref makes a mistake and we lose its the refs fault,
not the 2 glaring chances our striker had or poor defending, yes he got it wrong,
i drink with 2 ex refs and 1 whos son will next season will be a referee in the 4th tier,all said he got that wrong,this will be highlighted in the match report for failing to give a card for deliberate handball as per the guide lines.
at the end of the day we lost because we made more mistakes than the ref that is the bottom line,also our record against 10 men is not good
And remember there not on 50,000+ a week

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becky over the moon 02 Apr 18 7.58am
Originally posted by michaelpearce Look a ref makes a mistake and we lose its the refs fault, not the 2 glaring chances our striker had or poor defending, yes he got it wrong, i drink with 2 ex refs and 1 whos son will next season will be a referee in the 4th tier,all said he got that wrong,this will be highlighted in the match report for failing to give a card for deliberate handball as per the guide lines. at the end of the day we lost because we made more mistakes than the ref that is the bottom line,also our record against 10 men is not good And remember there not on 50,000+ a week But they are on up to £70,000 a year, which is not bad for a couple of days 'work' a week A stairway to Heaven and a Highway to Hell give some indication of expected traffic numbers
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over the moon 02 Apr 18 7.58am

Originally posted by michaelpearce

But they are on up to £70,000 a year, which is not bad for a couple of days 'work' a week

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michaelpearce grays 02 Apr 18 8.16am
Originally posted by becky But they are on up to £70,000 a year, which is not bad for a couple of days 'work' a week Would you do it knowing that you get the blame for one mistake all for 70,000 a year while most on the pitch earn that in a week and have thousand calling you all the names under the sun,im old school if i ref one game they wouldn't get half the fouls and there would be alot of cards for being well was going to say girls but have watch ladys football and they dont roll around like the men
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grays 02 Apr 18 8.16am

Originally posted by becky

But they are on up to £70,000 a year, which is not bad for a couple of days 'work' a week

Would you do it knowing that you get the blame for one mistake all for 70,000 a year while most on the pitch earn that in a week and have thousand calling you all the names under the sun,im old school if i ref one game they wouldn't get half the fouls and there would be alot of cards for being well was going to say girls but have watch ladys football and they dont roll around like the men

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southnorwoodhill 02 Apr 18 8.33am
It is best to ignore Willo, he is an obvious troll who hijacks every thread.
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It is best to ignore Willo, he is an obvious troll who hijacks every thread.

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PZ Eagle Penzance 02 Apr 18 8.44am
Another ref who got two decisions wrong at Chelsea yesterday. "Former referees' chief Keith Hackett says referee Craig Pawson did not deal with tackles from Tottenham's Erik Lamela and Jan Vertonghen "correctly" in their side's win at Chelsea and that "if VAR had been in use, Tottenham would have finished the game with nine men" Conjunctivitis.com - A site for sore eyes.
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Penzance 02 Apr 18 8.44am

Another ref who got two decisions wrong at Chelsea yesterday.

"Former referees' chief Keith Hackett says referee Craig Pawson did not deal with tackles from Tottenham's Erik Lamela and Jan Vertonghen "correctly" in their side's win at Chelsea and that "if VAR had been in use, Tottenham would have finished the game with nine men"

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the silurian The garden of England.(not really) 02 Apr 18 8.53am
Originally posted by michaelpearce Look a ref makes a mistake and we lose its the refs fault, not the 2 glaring chances our striker had or poor defending, yes he got it wrong, i drink with 2 ex refs and 1 whos son will next season will be a referee in the 4th tier,all said he got that wrong,this will be highlighted in the match report for failing to give a card for deliberate handball as per the guide lines. at the end of the day we lost because we made more mistakes than the ref that is the bottom line,also our record against 10 men is not good And remember there not on 50,000+ a week As far as I am aware, no one has said we lost because of the referee's decision, what people are saying is that things MAY have been different had he sent off Mane, which he should have done. Maybe it was a genuine error BUT its strange that it usually is an error in favour of the big club which helps them win. Ok they may have won anyway 10 men r not but it would be good if occasionally we got those sort of decisions FOR us instead of against us, as someone else said, if that had been Cabaye or Luka handling that ball, Im 99% sure they woud have had a red card brandished at them, being that they were on a yellow!! Asian betting is massive and its not beyond the realms of possibilty that things like that decision happen for a reason! I for one hope not but one day I suspect things may come to light that prove otherwise.
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The garden of England.(not really) 02 Apr 18 8.53am

Originally posted by michaelpearce

As far as I am aware, no one has said we lost because of the referee's decision, what people are saying is that things MAY have been different had he sent off Mane, which he should have done. Maybe it was a genuine error BUT its strange that it usually is an error in favour of the big club which helps them win. Ok they may have won anyway 10 men r not but it would be good if occasionally
we got those sort of decisions FOR us instead of against us, as someone else said, if that had been Cabaye or Luka handling that ball, Im 99% sure they woud have had a red card brandished at them, being that they were on a yellow!!
Asian betting is massive and its not beyond the realms of possibilty that things like that decision happen for a reason! I for one hope not but one day I suspect things may come to light that prove otherwise.

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michaelpearce grays 02 Apr 18 8.57am
VAR is not the answer just image if all decisions was reviewed would be playing till 10 at nite,also managers would have to blame the players for results god help us it would be anarchy, lets just except refs have only 2 eyes and give what they see
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grays 02 Apr 18 8.57am

VAR is not the answer just image if all decisions was reviewed would be playing till 10 at nite,also managers would have to blame the players for results god help us it would be anarchy, lets just except refs have only 2 eyes and give what they see

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michaelpearce grays 02 Apr 18 9.08am
Originally posted by the silurian As far as I am aware, no one has said we lost because of the referee's decision, what people are saying is that things MAY have been different had he sent off Mane, which he should have done. Maybe it was a genuine error BUT its strange that it usually is an error in favour of the big club which helps them win. Ok they may have won anyway 10 men r not but it would be good if occasionally we got those sort of decisions FOR us instead of against us, as someone else said, if that had been Cabaye or Luka handling that ball, Im 99% sure they woud have had a red card brandished at them, being that they were on a yellow!! Asian betting is massive and its not beyond the realms of possibilty that things like that decision happen for a reason! I for one hope not but one day I suspect things may come to light that prove otherwise. Yes there could be something in what you said and big club syndrome I dont know if anyone has done any stats on it,there was abit of finger pointing at the ref, as i said we havent got a good record against 10 men so result may have been the same
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grays 02 Apr 18 9.08am

Originally posted by the silurian

Yes there could be something in what you said and big club syndrome I dont know if anyone has done any stats on it,there was abit of finger pointing at the ref, as i said we havent got a good record against 10 men so result may have been the same

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