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  SW19 CPFC  Addiscombe West 23 Mar 18 4.36pm |
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Originally posted by Stuk
Not having access to the bank of mum and dad, being less well off, or even poor doesn't make robbing people of their possessions acceptable. It still makes them c***s. We not talking about someone taking some food in order to live. Again – you're misconstruing attempts at explaining the cause with agreement of the act. I've never said I agree with mugging people. Or that any explanation makes this acceptable.
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| SW19 CPFC Addiscombe West 23 Mar 18 4.38pm |
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Originally posted by Rudi Hedman
Social mobility hey. Social mobility by these gun threatening kids is expected and stolen to try to achieve it. There's been immigrants who've not actually achieved social mobility but I'll tell you something you know. They didn't put a gun in someone's face and now their offspring or their offspring may have achieved in life.
Completely true. But there have also been ones that have. I covered that. Your point is? It's a fallacy to say it's not inevitable, because it is already happening. Every day.
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| SW19 CPFC Addiscombe West 23 Mar 18 4.45pm |
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Originally posted by Rudi Hedman
SW19, sorry but I cannot see people shoving a gun in people's faces for their possessions as inevitable and neither do I see sociological factors making that inevitable either. That is evil and their choice. Their is a choice to use a gun. And they're doing this from 15, not when opportunities have completely disappeared. OK. How do you know that their opportunities haven't disappeared at 15? Is there a specific age where they have or have not? Not sure I understand this point. It might be more beneficial for them to change earlier rather than later, agreed, or at least try to. But once again referencing my original admittedly lengthly posts, just because you make that choice doesn't mean it will work out. And then where are you? Good intentions don't trump circumstance, luck and a diminishing return of options that in some cases people have mostly zero control over. We're getting into causality a bit here, and oversimplifying choice to the point of removing it from context.
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| Stuk Top half 23 Mar 18 4.57pm |
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Originally posted by SW19 CPFC
Again – you're misconstruing attempts at explaining the cause with agreement of the act. I've never said I agree with mugging people. Or that any explanation makes this acceptable. Then whatever point you're trying to make isn't getting across, and I'm not the only one who can't see what you're getting at. Even if your choices are really limited and boil down to should I be a thieving c*** or not, you choose not.
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| SW19 CPFC Addiscombe West 23 Mar 18 5.01pm |
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Originally posted by Stuk
Then whatever point you're trying to make isn't getting across, and I'm not the only one who can't see what you're getting at. Even if your choices are really limited and boil down to should I be a thieving c*** or not, you choose not. And I'm saying it's not as simple as that. Because it's not.
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| Casual Orpington 23 Mar 18 5.39pm |
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Mods can you lock a thread for getting too boring? This one has now died.
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| Rudi Hedman Caterham 24 Mar 18 12.13am |
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Originally posted by SW19 CPFC
OK. How do you know that their opportunities haven't disappeared at 15? Is there a specific age where they have or have not? Not sure I understand this point. It might be more beneficial for them to change earlier rather than later, agreed, or at least try to. But once again referencing my original admittedly lengthly posts, just because you make that choice doesn't mean it will work out. And then where are you? Good intentions don't trump circumstance, luck and a diminishing return of options that in some cases people have mostly zero control over. We're getting into causality a bit here, and oversimplifying choice to the point of removing it from context. You're verging on being a gun threatening apologist. How do I know their opportunities haven't disappeared, and at 15 when they start mugging with weapons and guns on bikes? Well because they live in London. There's loads of jobs around if you actually look, keep trying and conduct yourself in the presence of employers, which is something they may pick up at school.
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| Rudi Hedman Caterham 24 Mar 18 12.21am |
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Originally posted by SW19 CPFC
Completely true. But there have also been ones that have. I covered that. Your point is? It's a fallacy to say it's not inevitable, because it is already happening. Every day. It's happening because they're not being chased and stopped. This kind of crime isn't inevitable. They have a choice, the police need to be able to stop it. Not everyone can afford luxuries or live like a 30/40+ year old when they're a teenager.
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| Midlands Eagle 24 Mar 18 7.31am |
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Are we now saying that it wasn't Simon Jordan who was the victim but the gun toting scrote that held him up at gunpoint and robbed him?
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| Painter Croydon 28 Mar 18 9.54am |
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I am concerned for Jordan, has he got his watch back yet?
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| Badger11 Beckenham 28 Mar 18 11.15am |
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Originally posted by Painter
I am concerned for Jordan, has he got his watch back yet? The police say its only a matter of time.
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| cb1969 Back in the 'hood 28 Mar 18 11.56am |
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Jordan said that in future he will join all of his watches together and wear them as a belt to hide them. I think thats just a waist of time though.
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