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phillanth Flag London 14 Jan 18 5.17pm

Given the lack of decent players apparently available and the unexpected depth of our squad as shown yesterday I don't think we need to waste any money in this window on panic buys, just concentrate on getting our existing squad fit asap.

 

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dp Flag Tunbridge Wells 14 Jan 18 10.56pm Send a Private Message to dp Add dp as a friend

Originally posted by phillanth

Given the lack of decent players apparently available and the unexpected depth of our squad as shown yesterday I don't think we need to waste any money in this window on panic buys, just concentrate on getting our existing squad fit asap.

Yes, I agree with you. It seems that there are a few
cheapish options out there, but no need to buy for the sake of it.

 

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Direwolf Flag Lincoln 14 Jan 18 11.45pm Send a Private Message to Direwolf Add Direwolf as a friend

Originally posted by phillanth

Given the lack of decent players apparently available and the unexpected depth of our squad as shown yesterday I don't think we need to waste any money in this window on panic buys, just concentrate on getting our existing squad fit asap.

Not sure about this really. Our bench looked very lightweight yesterday. We know that Dann, Puncheon and Schlupp are now out for the season and we could still do with another striker I think. Hopefully some of the other injured will return soon but we are spread thin at the moment.

 

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phillanth Flag London 15 Jan 18 12.13am

I think we could do with a striker, a centre back and a keeper in this window ideally, but my point is that players in these positions that are better than what we have already got seem to be in short supply.

 

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HeathMan Flag Purley 15 Jan 18 12.19am Send a Private Message to HeathMan Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add HeathMan as a friend

Can we find out if the depth includes under 23 players. Based on Kane being 24 and Ali 21, I hope someone is recognising that they have to be given game time before their sell by dated. At least we saw KaiKai (did reasonably well - would enjoy service from Benteke) in our last Cup Match. COYP

 

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Indefatigable Flag South London 15 Jan 18 4.09pm Send a Private Message to Indefatigable Add Indefatigable as a friend

I'm shocked in a post that suggests the sale of Lee and Mutch in the same window, for actual money, and it's the idea of loaning Wickham that initiates the longest argument.

 

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dp Flag Tunbridge Wells 15 Jan 18 5.03pm Send a Private Message to dp Add dp as a friend

Surely I should at least get some kudos for using your moniker in a post.

 

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mattteo Flag 20 Jan 18 9.29am Send a Private Message to mattteo Add mattteo as a friend

Originally posted by robdave2k

Andriy Shevchenko
Radamel Falcao
Gervinho
Diego Forlan
Roberto Soldado
Angel Di Maria

To name half a dozen that cost a fortune

Some others around the £10m mark

Ricky van Wolfswinkel
Mateja Kezman
Afonso Alves



Falcao played very little in England. He was only at big clubs where there was huge competition, so he only got a few minutes.

Gervinho did well in the PL. I'd love me some Gervinho right now. Ok, he wasn't a title winning player, but Gervinho surely is quality.


Angel di Maria....what can I say? He played about 20000 minutes with 20 goals and assists combined. There was absolutely no reason to sell him other than his own disagreements with the manager. And he was right to be angry. There was no reason for van Gaal to keep him as a substitute. He has proven himself time and time again. A manager's mistakes don't make the player is a flop.
About the others, I think I covered them up in a previous post

 

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mattteo Flag 23 Jan 18 7.01pm Send a Private Message to mattteo Add mattteo as a friend

Originally posted by Indefatigable

I'm shocked in a post that suggests the sale of Lee and Mutch in the same window, for actual money, and it's the idea of loaning Wickham that initiates the longest argument.

Well, they should be able to bring in 2-2,5 million each (for a total of 4-5 million) from Championship clubs.
In the summer those clubs paid 4 million for Kevin Stewart, 4 million for Nathan Baker, 3 million for Ryan Shotton and Maxime Colin, 3,5 million for Grant Hanley and Marc Roberts, 2 million for Andre Wisdom and Tom Huddlestone (pretty much a Mutch copy).
Even 6 million for Patrick Bamford

 

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mattteo Flag 03 Feb 18 11.19am Send a Private Message to mattteo Add mattteo as a friend

Ok, so with the winter transfer period wrapping up, the squad for the second part of the season looks like this:

....................Hennessey.................
....................(Speroni).................
................................................
TFM..........Tomkins.......Sakho............PVA
(Ward)......(Kelly).........(Jach).......(Souare)
...............................................
Zaha...........Cabaye.....Milivojevic....Townsend
(Chungy)....(Rekip)......(Riedewald).......(RLC)
.................................................
..................McArthur.......................
.................................................
....................Benteke....................
....................(Sorloth)...................


Maybe with Wickham providing an extra option up front from next month. IF RLC doesn't recover, then in March Schlupp should come back and PVA would go up and cover for left midfielder.

All of this with expenditures of over 10 million this winter (with add-ons in Sorloth's case that will surely rise to another 5 million if the team stays in the Premier League). So that's 15 million to have the squad looking like above.

Ok, now compare this with what I suggested:
................Diego Alves (1 mil.)..............
...............(Hennessey, Speroni)..............
.................................................
da Costa(1mil)...Tomkins....Sakho............PVA
(Ward).........(TFM, Kelly)(Riedewald)...(Schlupp)
...............................................
Zaha...........Cabaye.....Milivojevic....Townsend
(Ola John)....(RLC)......(McArthur)...(Hernani/Jony)
.(0 mil)................................(1-3 mil.)
..............Andone (13 mil.)....................
..............(Ezekiel, Sako)..................
...............................................
...............Nils Petersen(7 mil)...............
......(Asamoah Gyan/Martins/Emenike-free).........


Around 24 million spent, with the money coming from the sales of Benteke, Lee Chung Yeong and Mutch. Ok, maybe LCY and Mutch wouldn't have been sold for much money, but it wouldn't have been more than a 4 million expenditure supported by the club even in case they weren't.

In the first days of January, Andone was undesired in Deportivo. He had a tense relation with the manager and wanted to leave because he wasn't given enough playing time. Brighton tempted Deportivo big time with their 11 million bid. There was a lot of talk in Spain about whether they should sell or not. But they were holding out for 13 million. It would have been an easy transaction if done in the first month of January.
But, as time went on, Deportivo sent Andone in and he scored 4 goals in January, taking his total tally to 6 goals and 2 assists this season, in just 1000 minutes. And he's been constantly good the past 4 seasons.

Even Niasse would have been available on Januay 1st at 13 million. That's what Everton was asking before he started banging them in for them. He was 4th choice at the club. Just pay 13 million for an accomplished striker like Niasse, best player in Russia 2 years in a row and a great goals to minutes played stat in the Premier League. We ended up paying the same amount (with add-ons) for Sorloth, who is not that accomplished. While Niasse was a certainty, Sorloth may be the next Cornelius or Brock-Madsen.

Nils Petersen comes from probably the poorest team in the Bundesliga (financially speaking). Freiburg's winter transfer period consisted of buying a winger-striker from the German second division for 1 million. That's it. They would have sold Petersen for around 7 million on January 1st. This month, he scored twice against Borussia Dortmund. He has 8 goals in his last 6 Bundesliga matches. Of course they won't be selling for 7 million now. Ola John is still at Benfica. He's on 2 million a year and they're not using him at all, they've demoted him to Benfica B. They'd be happy to have someone else take over his salary (which is not far from Lee Chung Yeong's). Is LCY really a better option than what Ola John would be???

van der Wiel has just moved from Cagliari to Toronto in the MLS. I doubt they paid a lot of money for the right wingback (transfer fee is rumoured to have been less than a million). Why not keep TFM as a center back option and get a real wingback (very necessary) to complement Ward on that position?
I talked about Danny da Costa from Eintracht, but van der Wiel could have also been a great option too. Instead, the club decided to buy Jach and keep TFM as a right back.

In conclusion, you tell me if which of the above teams looks better for a top 10 finish in the PL? But please don't hold grudges from our past conversations or respond to me personally. Just be objective. Yes, as an argument against me, Benteke has also managed to up his game a bit and has scored or assisted the last games. A player which I would have sold to get 20 million, the money needed for transfers (I reckon Chelsea or Everton or a Chinese club would have offered that sum). But what he has done lately doesn't even compare to what Andone and Nils Peterson have been doing constantly the last seasons.

 

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spartakev2 Flag Anerley 04 Feb 18 1.12pm Send a Private Message to spartakev2 Add spartakev2 as a friend

Originally posted by mattteo

Ok, so with the winter transfer period wrapping up, the squad for the second part of the season looks like this:

....................Hennessey.................
....................(Speroni).................
................................................
TFM..........Tomkins.......Sakho............PVA
(Ward)......(Kelly).........(Jach).......(Souare)
...............................................
Zaha...........Cabaye.....Milivojevic....Townsend
(Chungy)....(Rekip)......(Riedewald).......(RLC)
.................................................
..................McArthur.......................
.................................................
....................Benteke....................
....................(Sorloth)...................


Maybe with Wickham providing an extra option up front from next month. IF RLC doesn't recover, then in March Schlupp should come back and PVA would go up and cover for left midfielder.

All of this with expenditures of over 10 million this winter (with add-ons in Sorloth's case that will surely rise to another 5 million if the team stays in the Premier League). So that's 15 million to have the squad looking like above.

Ok, now compare this with what I suggested:
................Diego Alves (1 mil.)..............
...............(Hennessey, Speroni)..............
.................................................
da Costa(1mil)...Tomkins....Sakho............PVA
(Ward).........(TFM, Kelly)(Riedewald)...(Schlupp)
...............................................
Zaha...........Cabaye.....Milivojevic....Townsend
(Ola John)....(RLC)......(McArthur)...(Hernani/Jony)
.(0 mil)................................(1-3 mil.)
..............Andone (13 mil.)....................
..............(Ezekiel, Sako)..................
...............................................
...............Nils Petersen(7 mil)...............
......(Asamoah Gyan/Martins/Emenike-free).........


Around 24 million spent, with the money coming from the sales of Benteke, Lee Chung Yeong and Mutch. Ok, maybe LCY and Mutch wouldn't have been sold for much money, but it wouldn't have been more than a 4 million expenditure supported by the club even in case they weren't.

In the first days of January, Andone was undesired in Deportivo. He had a tense relation with the manager and wanted to leave because he wasn't given enough playing time. Brighton tempted Deportivo big time with their 11 million bid. There was a lot of talk in Spain about whether they should sell or not. But they were holding out for 13 million. It would have been an easy transaction if done in the first month of January.
But, as time went on, Deportivo sent Andone in and he scored 4 goals in January, taking his total tally to 6 goals and 2 assists this season, in just 1000 minutes. And he's been constantly good the past 4 seasons.

Even Niasse would have been available on Januay 1st at 13 million. That's what Everton was asking before he started banging them in for them. He was 4th choice at the club. Just pay 13 million for an accomplished striker like Niasse, best player in Russia 2 years in a row and a great goals to minutes played stat in the Premier League. We ended up paying the same amount (with add-ons) for Sorloth, who is not that accomplished. While Niasse was a certainty, Sorloth may be the next Cornelius or Brock-Madsen.

Nils Petersen comes from probably the poorest team in the Bundesliga (financially speaking). Freiburg's winter transfer period consisted of buying a winger-striker from the German second division for 1 million. That's it. They would have sold Petersen for around 7 million on January 1st. This month, he scored twice against Borussia Dortmund. He has 8 goals in his last 6 Bundesliga matches. Of course they won't be selling for 7 million now. Ola John is still at Benfica. He's on 2 million a year and they're not using him at all, they've demoted him to Benfica B. They'd be happy to have someone else take over his salary (which is not far from Lee Chung Yeong's). Is LCY really a better option than what Ola John would be???

van der Wiel has just moved from Cagliari to Toronto in the MLS. I doubt they paid a lot of money for the right wingback (transfer fee is rumoured to have been less than a million). Why not keep TFM as a center back option and get a real wingback (very necessary) to complement Ward on that position?
I talked about Danny da Costa from Eintracht, but van der Wiel could have also been a great option too. Instead, the club decided to buy Jach and keep TFM as a right back.

In conclusion, you tell me if which of the above teams looks better for a top 10 finish in the PL? But please don't hold grudges from our past conversations or respond to me personally. Just be objective. Yes, as an argument against me, Benteke has also managed to up his game a bit and has scored or assisted the last games. A player which I would have sold to get 20 million, the money needed for transfers (I reckon Chelsea or Everton or a Chinese club would have offered that sum). But what he has done lately doesn't even compare to what Andone and Nils Peterson have been doing constantly the last seasons.


Difficult to say as I have know idea hiw good the players you suggest are and wether they would make it in the premiership. Just as I don't know how good our new signings are and will be. Why our scouting staff (or sny other premietship team) haven't bought any of the players you suggest, as they are such bargains, is a mystery. I guess we'll have to wait until the end of the season and see how our signings have done..

 

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mattteo Flag 04 Feb 18 3.19pm Send a Private Message to mattteo Add mattteo as a friend

Originally posted by spartakev2


Difficult to say as I have know idea hiw good the players you suggest are and wether they would make it in the premiership. Just as I don't know how good our new signings are and will be. Why our scouting staff (or sny other premietship team) haven't bought any of the players you suggest, as they are such bargains, is a mystery. I guess we'll have to wait until the end of the season and see how our signings have done..

Surely you must have watched Asamoah Gyan or Emenike play at the World Cup or at the African Cup of Nations. Or even in the Premier League. Obafemi Martins too, he's that guy who used to be voted fastest in the world when at Inter Milan. Or from Levante a few years ago.

Nils Petersen was at Bayern, come on, you must know him. Ola John was in the UEFA Champions League with Twente and a little in the Netherlands national team. Make an effort and you'll remember. Or look them up.

Maybe Hernani from Porto or Jony or Alessandrini are a little less known, but they're from top football, not third tiers or something.

 

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