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legaleagle 04 Jan 18 5.51pm
Originally posted by Penge Eagle When has this been the case? Not under Obama. California is BIG government with BIG taxes – and it is failing. Big time. It's what happen with socialists in charge. Penge,you are entitled to your opinion. But let's draw the line at suggesting socialists are in power in California... BIG taxes:yup,VAT is a whopping great 7.5% in CA.Real punitive socialist sales tax rate. Edited by legaleagle (04 Jan 2018 5.57pm)
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04 Jan 18 5.51pm

Originally posted by Penge Eagle

When has this been the case? Not under Obama. California is BIG government with BIG taxes – and it is failing. Big time. It's what happen with socialists in charge.

Penge,you are entitled to your opinion.

But let's draw the line at suggesting socialists are in power in California...

BIG taxes:yup,VAT is a whopping great 7.5% in CA.Real punitive socialist sales tax rate.

Edited by legaleagle (04 Jan 2018 5.57pm)

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Stirlingsays 04 Jan 18 5.53pm
Originally posted by legaleagle So,am I right you've never actually been down South yourself then Stirling? You are right. 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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04 Jan 18 5.53pm

Originally posted by legaleagle

So,am I right you've never actually been down South yourself then Stirling?

You are right.

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

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Ray in Houston Houston 04 Jan 18 5.59pm
Originally posted by Penge Eagle When has this been the case? Not under Obama. California is BIG government with BIG taxes – and it is failing. Big time. It's what happen with socialists in charge. Those socialists in charge of California have propelled it to be the world's 6th largest economy, ahead of France. They do some weird stuff from time to time, but to accuse them of "failing" is baseless Trumpian rhetoric. Oh, and spare me the "they've got x billion of debt" whining. Moody's gives the state a debt rating of Aa3, which compares favorably to Aa2 for the UK. We don't do possession; we do defense and attack. Everything else is just wa**ing with a football.
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Originally posted by Penge Eagle

When has this been the case? Not under Obama. California is BIG government with BIG taxes – and it is failing. Big time. It's what happen with socialists in charge.

Those socialists in charge of California have propelled it to be the world's 6th largest economy, ahead of France. They do some weird stuff from time to time, but to accuse them of "failing" is baseless Trumpian rhetoric.

Oh, and spare me the "they've got x billion of debt" whining. Moody's gives the state a debt rating of Aa3, which compares favorably to Aa2 for the UK.

We don't do possession; we do defense and attack. Everything else is just wa**ing with a football.

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Ray in Houston Houston 04 Jan 18 5.59pm
Originally posted by legaleagle So,am I right you've never actually been down South yourself then Stirling? But he has seen Roadhouse in Netflix... We don't do possession; we do defense and attack. Everything else is just wa**ing with a football.
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Houston 04 Jan 18 5.59pm

Originally posted by legaleagle

So,am I right you've never actually been down South yourself then Stirling?

But he has seen Roadhouse in Netflix...

We don't do possession; we do defense and attack. Everything else is just wa**ing with a football.

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Stirlingsays 04 Jan 18 6.03pm
Originally posted by Ray in Houston Those socialists in charge of California have propelled it to be the world's 6th largest economy, ahead of France. They do some weird stuff from time to time, but to accuse them of "failing" is baseless Trumpian rhetoric. Oh, and spare me the "they've got x billion of debt" whining. Moody's gives the state a debt rating of Aa3, which compares favorably to Aa2 for the UK. Moodys.....the de facto voice on financial wisedom. 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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04 Jan 18 6.03pm

Originally posted by Ray in Houston

Oh, and spare me the "they've got x billion of debt" whining. Moody's gives the state a debt rating of Aa3, which compares favorably to Aa2 for the UK.

Moodys.....the de facto voice on financial wisedom.

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

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Stirlingsays 04 Jan 18 6.04pm
Originally posted by Ray in Houston But he has seen Roadhouse in Netflix... Only numpties pay for Netflix. 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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04 Jan 18 6.04pm

Originally posted by Ray in Houston

But he has seen Roadhouse in Netflix...

Only numpties pay for Netflix.

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

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Ray in Houston Houston 04 Jan 18 6.06pm
Originally posted by Stirlingsays Moodys.....the de facto voice on financial wisedom. Classic Stirling trolling. Attack the messenger when the message is unassailable. We don't do possession; we do defense and attack. Everything else is just wa**ing with a football.
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Houston 04 Jan 18 6.06pm

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

Moodys.....the de facto voice on financial wisedom.

Classic Stirling trolling. Attack the messenger when the message is unassailable.

We don't do possession; we do defense and attack. Everything else is just wa**ing with a football.

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Stirlingsays 04 Jan 18 6.15pm
Originally posted by Ray in Houston Classic Stirling trolling. Attack the messenger when the message is unassailable. In your opinion.....which some of us regard as pretty dodge of course. I don't trust the credit rating agencies in general....that's the truth. 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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04 Jan 18 6.15pm

Originally posted by Ray in Houston

Classic Stirling trolling. Attack the messenger when the message is unassailable.

In your opinion.....which some of us regard as pretty dodge of course.

I don't trust the credit rating agencies in general....that's the truth.

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

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Ray in Houston Houston 04 Jan 18 6.25pm
Originally posted by Stirlingsays In your opinion.....which some of us regard as pretty dodge of course. I don't trust the credit rating agencies in general....that's the truth. California's (failing) economy was 2.46 trillion dollars in 2016, regardless of what you think about Moody's et al, and growing at over 4% annually. Bloody commies. We don't do possession; we do defense and attack. Everything else is just wa**ing with a football.
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Houston 04 Jan 18 6.25pm

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

In your opinion.....which some of us regard as pretty dodge of course.

I don't trust the credit rating agencies in general....that's the truth.

California's (failing) economy was 2.46 trillion dollars in 2016, regardless of what you think about Moody's et al, and growing at over 4% annually.

Bloody commies.

We don't do possession; we do defense and attack. Everything else is just wa**ing with a football.

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Jamesrichards8 04 Jan 18 6.31pm
I dont know what this thread has become, but i was looking at some earlier remarks, particularly a left vs. right debate about happiness in the 50s versus now. In terms of the United States, minorities and women have made strides toward social equality, even gaining advantages in some cases (affirmative action), while the ‘patriarchy’ is constantly being attacked and eroded. However, the simple, salient fact is that the quality of life for everyone, including blacks, hispanics, and whites of both sexes, was much higher in the 50’s and has suffered a gradual decline. This is indisputable and evident in national surveys and polls across the nation. Additionally, despite greater racial ‘equality’, there has been a relatively poor improvement in race relations during the last 40 years. These are the facts, do with them what you will. When you’re knocked on your back and your life’s a flop...
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I dont know what this thread has become, but i was looking at some earlier remarks, particularly a left vs. right debate about happiness in the 50s versus now. In terms of the United States, minorities and women have made strides toward social equality, even gaining advantages in some cases (affirmative action), while the ‘patriarchy’ is constantly being attacked and eroded. However, the simple, salient fact is that the quality of life for everyone, including blacks, hispanics, and whites of both sexes, was much higher in the 50’s and has suffered a gradual decline. This is indisputable and evident in national surveys and polls across the nation. Additionally, despite greater racial ‘equality’, there has been a relatively poor improvement in race relations during the last 40 years. These are the facts, do with them what you will.

When you’re knocked on your back and your life’s a flop...

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Jamesrichards8 04 Jan 18 6.36pm
Originally posted by Ray in Houston California's (failing) economy was 2.46 trillion dollars in 2016, regardless of what you think about Moody's et al, and growing at over 4% annually. Bloody commies. As if the liberal state government has anything to do with the entrepreneurial and agricultural success of California. This growth is due simply to California’s natural resources and cultural appeal. It is a cog in a capitalist machine, and you seem to be implicating the left in its prosper? When you’re knocked on your back and your life’s a flop...
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04 Jan 18 6.36pm

Originally posted by Ray in Houston

California's (failing) economy was 2.46 trillion dollars in 2016, regardless of what you think about Moody's et al, and growing at over 4% annually.

Bloody commies.

As if the liberal state government has anything to do with the entrepreneurial and agricultural success of California. This growth is due simply to California’s natural resources and cultural appeal. It is a cog in a capitalist machine, and you seem to be implicating the left in its prosper?

When you’re knocked on your back and your life’s a flop...

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Penge Eagle Beckenham 04 Jan 18 6.44pm
Originally posted by Ray in Houston This is simply not true. Many states allow anyone to purchase firearms without the need even to get a permit, let alone take any training. Also, outside of Hollywood, people need constant training to maintain their skills and reflexes. It's not like riding a bike. It's also why untrained armed people are statistically much more of a danger to themselves and those around them than any incremental safety gains made by having a gun. I'll let an Army vet explain it further. [Link] There have been many examples in the US where concealed-carry civilians have stopped potential mass shootings. As many of the mass shootings happen in apparently 'gun-free' areas like schools, then it's even more important that campus employees are able to carry. The mass shooters will anyway.
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Beckenham 04 Jan 18 6.44pm

Originally posted by Ray in Houston

This is simply not true. Many states allow anyone to purchase firearms without the need even to get a permit, let alone take any training.

Also, outside of Hollywood, people need constant training to maintain their skills and reflexes. It's not like riding a bike. It's also why untrained armed people are statistically much more of a danger to themselves and those around them than any incremental safety gains made by having a gun.

I'll let an Army vet explain it further. [Link]

There have been many examples in the US where concealed-carry civilians have stopped potential mass shootings. As many of the mass shootings happen in apparently 'gun-free' areas like schools, then it's even more important that campus employees are able to carry. The mass shooters will anyway.

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