Oh they all knew about me. Trust me on that one . But yes the desire to know can be all consuming . It peaks on the week running up to my birthday and then it subsides again. Fundamentally it won't change anything and the family would never accept me but I am curious as to whether I look like him and things like inherited illness and health problems . Also now I have children of my own I wonder about their characteristics and looks and who they get some of them from. Only natural I suppose

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I would agree with this. I saw an amazing documentary in the 80's whereby not two but three dads got by with initially raising a baby until the mother decided she did care and then came back.

If you haven't seen it it is worth a look. It was called 3 Men and a Baby.

I think you get into very dangerous waters there, because the implication is that either society just accepts, but doesn't have to like it, or you're going to be taking children away from a parent.

How on earth this could ever be enforceable in any way is impossible.

And that comes to the crux of adoption. Couples who want kids, will usually find a way. Either via a surrogate, or via adoption or IVF etc. If you make it hard to do, then people will just lie and find people to help them lie, because the desire to be a parent is probably one of the strongest biological desires active in people.

I'd imagine that almost everyone on here, who is a parent, has their kids best interests at heart, and would lie, cheat, steal and kill for their kids - and regards being a parent as being the greatest thing they've ever done - and were happy to make great sacrifices to become a parent.

I don't think you can legislate against that kind of desire and drive. Even if you want to, its the kind of drive that people will find alternative routes around, if you block off traditional routes.

Gay men, have kids, lesbian women have kids, even back from when they weren't allowed to adopt them, or get IVF.

Preventing IVF for gay women, won't work either, because people will just travel abroad, or work with other gay people to subvert the system (i.e. using a gay friend of the opposite gender, as their 'beard').

Its a bit like drugs, just banning something or telling people not to do something, that they really want to do, doesn't work. Except here we're dealing with the desire to be a parent.

Imagine, any of you with kids, if someone had said, no we're not going to let you have children, sorry - Would that have stopped you?

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Its interesting that we're so 'morally obliged' to comment and take offence when its gay parents, and the possible risks that may have, compared to the limitations and damage imposes by say poverty and social-economic inequality on child development in the UK (where the impacts are known, researched, documented and largely ignored).

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In all honesty providing a child is loved and cared for it doesn't matter what the family set up is.

I think single parent statistics would suggest otherwise.

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