And? We're here because we are football fans firstly. These players not being able to make a political point should extend to us using Hrolf's logic.

In my opinion politics is intrinsically linked to everything in life. I admire these players are they are aware that they are in the public eye and are willing to make a stand for what they believe in. As should you; being a champion of free speech and all.

And....there's a reason why the sections are separately labelled 'Palace Talk', 'General Talk' and so on.

It's not just a football forum Dan. So he's not 'mixing' sport and policies is he. If he was speaking about this stuff on 'Palace Talk' then yeah.....and you know what...people would correctly direct him to 'General Talk'.....as this is the appropriate place to talk politics.

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'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

It depends how much something means to you doesn't it? Some of these players were basically brought to tears over the way their own president spoke about them and the ramification of this needless populist angle that logically speaking is to their detriment.

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Sometimes something means more to you than a paycheck. If it annoys your political sensibilities or apparent rules about when freedom of expression is okay, so what, you don't control their limbs.

For me, because of my grandad I'd have been wearing a poppy in protest at FIFA rules for instance. Sure it could be seen as political, but I'd have done it and taken the consequences on the chin.

To provoke 'whitey'.

We have now sunk to a depth at which the restatement of the obvious is the first duty of intelligent men. [Orwell]

Was Trump's words violence then?

You are entitled to your view over this poppy thing.....People are free to sponsor things on their shirts....But I think it's not an sensible road to go down beyond that....the old slippery slope.

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

I do not view the players on one knee as a 'left wing group'. Personally I found that the players, managers and owners in the NFL had the right approach.

When I saw many players on one knee, some standing with arms intertwined and in one case, a sole team member standing with his hand on his heart during the anthem I saw a group of people standing up for that they believe in in their own way, but still very much on the same side. They all defended each other during interviews. That's that it means to be a team. Differing views but respect shown.

It's a far cry from 'sons of bitches' or'shot in the head', but of course some have walked so far down a certain path that they have basically severed the connection to people and opinion in favour of the comfort of their politics.