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CB 17 Sep 17 5.36pm | |
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He's Palace just like us all, and lucky enough to be in a position not to just support the club by buying a season ticket and shirt but putting his money where his mouth is. Equally, it is blindingly obvious that this summer and the Pardew period recruitment have been woefully inadequate. That doesn't make him a villain and if we get through to January and we can rectify this. There's no doubt that Parish can see we are lacking but you can't go out and buy 11 new PL quality players in one window - that's not a defence and yes you could fill some glaring gaps but from this start we have been a combination of bad and unlucky, but we are not so awful that we cannot compete. I am not sure that getting rid of the chairman is the solution here. Even with the "Americans" it is important to my mind to have a true fan on the board because you know when you're hurting as a fan they are too, and they'll do everything they can to fix it. Right now we have to pull together until the next window, which is the next opportunity for the club to look outside to try to find some solutions. Until then it's all about us doing it ourselves so COYP.
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Den1923 17 Sep 17 5.46pm | |
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Originally posted by youngpalacefan111
Only an enormous tool would disregard the past work that Steves done, and when the going gets tough s*** on him at the first opportunity. So SP is your ''GOD'', poor you, what has SP done since we have been back in PL, let me think, Eight Managers, players who have come with sick notes, American investors, lack of investment in the recent transfer window when everyone knew last years squad was far from perfect, concentrates his efforts on a larger capacity stadium when we have not yet established ourselves as PL club, some use that will be in the championship, tweets like Donald Trump, interferes in football matters when he does not have the necessary skill, can't make decision unless he has three months to think about it first, takes a salary of £650k/PA. Oh yes to his credit he did organise a group of investors way back in 2010 to save the club in its darkest hour but can't think of much since then, oh, by the way don't forget the wonderful home record in PL this time round, P79 and won just 26!
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youngpalacefan111 17 Sep 17 6.01pm | |
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So premiership footballs not good enough for palace? i get it we should be buying Messi and Ronaldo and competing in the champions league all makes sense now. Like someone once said they could buy Ronaldinho but some sad t*** will still be complaining about the burgers.
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Midlands Eagle 17 Sep 17 6.16pm | |
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Originally posted by youngpalacefan111
So premiership footballs not good enough for palace? i get it we should be buying Messi and Ronaldo and competing in the champions league all makes sense now. Like someone once said they could buy Ronaldinho but some sad t*** will still be complaining about the burgers. Stop spouting rubbish
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Den1923 17 Sep 17 6.22pm | |
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Originally posted by youngpalacefan111
So premiership footballs not good enough for palace? i get it we should be buying Messi and Ronaldo and competing in the champions league all makes sense now. Like someone once said they could buy Ronaldinho but some sad t*** will still be complaining about the burgers. That is the whole point, SP has had five years to establish CP as an average mid table PL club, but because of his inability to have a settled management and team we are in the position that we are in now, no one has said anything about buying the players you mention this more about getting good average PL players in a stable and consistent team that wins more times at home than they lose, this is the only way we are going to hold our own in PL, what don't you understand about that its common sense!
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Kermit8 Hevon 17 Sep 17 6.24pm | |
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He wasted many, many tens of millions - around £60mill I reckon - on crap buys, their wages and managerial pay offs these last five years and the club now runs at a small loss one year and a small profit the next I believe. Investment in the infrastructure is tiny compare to yearly income. If that doesn't smack of someone who perhaps is not up to the long term job needed at CPFC - the bigger picture scenario, then I don't know what does. He is unable to deliver what the club genuinely needs. Scouts, youth development to a level commensurate to being the 30th or so richest club in the world, and an overall set up becoming of that. Anyways, it is probably too late now. The golden goose is flapping her wings getting ready to migrate.
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Mstrobez 17 Sep 17 6.34pm | |
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This "vision" Parish insinuated in the summer was a load of nonsense if you ask me. The real problem was any experienced, no nonsense English manager (big Sam) takes one look at this squad and makes it emphatically clear that proper investment is needed or we're in for a season of pretty much the same. Frank spoke about integrating youth, coaching players to become better footballers etc. and Parish thought it was the perfect opportunity to chance his hand, promote the champagne dream on a white ace budget, whilst then using FdB as a scapegoat if it goes tits up. Having said that, he didn't seem to think that last part out too well as the majority of Palace fans and footballing world weren't as stupid to not see straight through it when he only gave him 4 matches in charge. Should've probably worked on his poker face and strategy of deceiving the fans a bit more, but maybe thought he could save himself when he came to Twitter the night before the sacking to call out any Palace fans that dare speak a negative word in his name whilst the "we lost to scunthorpe 4-0 6 years ago" brigade rushed to sing his praises and tickle his ego a little more with countless likes and retweets. I hear plenty of people speaking about the yanks role in all of this. Well any shrink of an "identity" seems to of been obliterated since their involvement. Perhaps Parish would've progressed this club more organically without them and I'd still view him as a hero. But at the end of the day, Parish let them into the club and if he wants to be the face of "success" during rosier times, he must also bare the burden when it seems like a circus is unfolding. There is no club without the fans. Not even at City. The last time I checked, season ticket prices have significantly increased since administration days and Parishes initial investment has soared. He should rightly be held to account for the failings at the club, especially if fans feel the club is being run in a farcical manor. He has deservedly been afforded the benefit of the doubt on many occasions but sadly I can't personally defend his actions anymore. You can perhaps say he has been a victim of his own success. I applaud him for the "5 year plan" and essentially I think the fast tracking of this probably caught even the most optimistic by surprise. The problem that has lead to, in my opinion, is a lack of ideas. He has rightly done all he can to preserve our PL status up until now but whilst we have no right to nailed on safety, there comes a point where we have to start looking beyond splashing the budget in desperation for survival in January, just for the sake of scraping our way to survival. As I've said many times before, eventually your luck runs out as we've seen many times recently in the PL with Newcastle, Sunderland & Villa - 3 teams who by all accounts are more established with a better infrastructure than us. The problem for me is that I find it extremely difficult to feel any sympathy for any chairman who sacks a manager charged with (rightly in my opinion) changing the style of play and then sacking him after 4 games, regardless of the speculation of excuses or "other factors". It's about time the club start taking responsibility because it's seems to be a reoccurring theme and it appears the mistakes we make every year are not being learnt from. It's all well and good telling the fans to blindly worship the hierarchy, but I think the few years premier league survival, whilst being fantastic, has given us a false sense of security and has lead many to believe we've progressed far greater as a club than we actually have in reality.
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se25 rudy se25 17 Sep 17 6.36pm | |
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Originally posted by Willo
Interesting to read Steve's comments.I don't do all that Twitter and twitting. When I look back over the years and the 6,000 crowds and when the £75K we spent on Bright seemed like a fortune, also more recently to the days when we almost folded as a club, I can understand where Steve is coming from. We have made enormous strides since those dark days, playing to capacity crowds,being known worldwide and paying multi-millions for footballers.This can all be lost amongst the current tribulations in terms of results. True but I bet you weren't paying over £70 for to take your kid to see West Ham at Selhurst back then.
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Dan89 Se25 17 Sep 17 6.42pm | |
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Originally posted by Mstrobez
This "vision" Parish insinuated in the summer was a load of nonsense if you ask me. The real problem was any experienced, no nonsense English manager (big Sam) takes one look at this squad and makes it emphatically clear that proper investment is needed or we're in for a season of pretty much the same. Frank spoke about integrating youth, coaching players to become better footballers etc. and Parish thought it was the perfect opportunity to chance his hand, promote the champagne dream on a white ace budget, whilst then using FdB as a scapegoat if it goes tits up. Having said that, he didn't seem to think that last part out too well as the majority of Palace fans and footballing world weren't as stupid to not see straight through it when he only gave him 4 matches in charge. Should've probably worked on his poker face and strategy of deceiving the fans a bit more, but maybe thought he could save himself when he came to Twitter the night before the sacking to call out any Palace fans that dare speak a negative word in his name whilst the "we lost to scunthorpe 4-0 6 years ago" brigade rushed to sing his praises and tickle his ego a little more with countless likes and retweets. I hear plenty of people speaking about the yanks role in all of this. Well any shrink of an "identity" seems to of been obliterated since their involvement. Perhaps Parish would've progressed this club more organically without them and I'd still view him as a hero. But at the end of the day, Parish let them into the club and if he wants to be the face of "success" during rosier times, he must also bare the burden when it seems like a circus is unfolding. There is no club without the fans. Not even at City. The last time I checked, season ticket prices have significantly increased since administration days and Parishes initial investment has soared. He should rightly be held to account for the failings at the club, especially if fans feel the club is being run in a farcical manor. He has deservedly been afforded the benefit of the doubt on many occasions but sadly I can't personally defend his actions anymore. You can perhaps say he has been a victim of his own success. I applaud him for the "5 year plan" and essentially I think the fast tracking of this probably caught even the most optimistic by surprise. The problem that has lead to, in my opinion, is a lack of ideas. He has rightly done all he can to preserve our PL status up until now but whilst we have no right to nailed on safety, there comes a point where we have to start looking beyond splashing the budget in desperation for survival in January, just for the sake of scraping our way to survival. As I've said many times before, eventually your luck runs out as we've seen many times recently in the PL with Newcastle, Sunderland & Villa - 3 teams who by all accounts are more established with a better infrastructure than us. The problem for me is that I find it extremely difficult to feel any sympathy for any chairman who sacks a manager charged with (rightly in my opinion) changing the style of play and then sacking him after 4 games, regardless of the speculation of excuses or "other factors". It's about time the club start taking responsibility because it's seems to be a reoccurring theme and it appears the mistakes we make every year are not being learnt from. It's all well and good telling the fans to blindly worship the hierarchy, but I think the few years premier league survival, whilst being fantastic, has given us a false sense of security and has lead many to believe we've progressed far greater as a club than we actually have in reality. Well written mate.
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chris123 hove actually 17 Sep 17 6.42pm | |
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Originally posted by Willo
I'm not one for calling our supporters "Morons", all I was saying that these young fans might not have been around to witness the dire days of paltry crowds and lower division football and as such their opinions are formed from fairly recent experiences. Certainly not the "Good old days" ! Well I remember when we got nearly 40 thousand against Millwall - the Holmesdale so crammed and the 52k when we were promoted & Steve Kember as a 17 year old - TV and big Mal, good times don't have to be top flight only, although finishing third under Steve was an amazing season. It's a real shame there isn't more evidence of having it good in terms of infrastructure spend , academy development and scouting networks. Edited by chris123 (17 Sep 2017 7.19pm)
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iheartcpfc SE25 17 Sep 17 6.50pm | |
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The arrogance of the man shown right here. Slurp slurp Stevie, let's not question you eh
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Nicholas91 The Democratic Republic of Kent 17 Sep 17 6.51pm | |
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Originally posted by Rudi Hedman
If we get to league 1 you won't like it and neither will thousands of fans leaving us with sub 10,000 crowds, no edge, not a great academy, and stuck there. So please, don't talk sh1t. Thank you. Don't talk s***? Thanks for letting me know I don't understand my own thinking. I wouldn't mind league one, nor sub 10,000 fans, I don't give a f*** what league were in or how many others want to Selhurst and on the road with me, so long as I enjoy watching competitive football and cheering on Palace as I always do, shows what kind of fan you are, find your allegiance about 5 years ago?
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