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Part Time James 18 Sep 17 3.02pm | |
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Originally posted by jamiemartin721
In what way is the UK Asylum policy an open door policy? I think the UK is too far to travel for anyone seeking asylum. Typical uncaring Britain.
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dannyh wherever I lay my hat....... 18 Sep 17 3.05pm | |
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Originally posted by Part Time James
I think the UK is too far to travel for anyone seeking asylum. Typical uncaring Britain. And yet somehow the manage to cross the borders of a dozen countries or more that have no war in them to get to ours, what could possibly be drawing them to us ?
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Jamesrichards8 18 Sep 17 3.20pm | |
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There is a principle known as the 'adverse selection effect', usually applied to immigration with respect to countries' welfare and benefits. It works pretty perfectly with refugees. Basically, according to the adverse selection effect, refugees' freedom of choice of where to permanently relocate leads to a disproportionate number in the few countries which are most accommodating, socially, politically and economically. This leads to an undue and unsustainable burden on these countries until which point these positive qualities deteriorate and they are no longer most desirable. Proof of this can be seen in cities near the Mexican border in california and Texas. The effects aren't limited to the economic realm, either.
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Stirlingsays 18 Sep 17 3.23pm | |
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Originally posted by dannyh
And yet somehow the manage to cross the borders of a dozen countries or more that have no war in them to get to ours, what could possibly be drawing them to us ? Yeah, especially as our history and values are apparently so terrible.
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jamiemartin721 Reading 18 Sep 17 3.25pm | |
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Originally posted by hedgehog50
What's your recipe for reducing Islamic based terrorism against the West then? Intelligence led operations, utilisation of the security services and engagement of assets within Muslim communities with a view to targeting high risk assets. Increased police budgets and increased use of GCHQ focused on blanket searches (same as we did with the IRA). Establishing an counter-terrorist operation utilising electronic means including cover-websites and hacking of existing sites to identify users. 'Turncoat' programs for captured terrorists suspects - allowing them to earn release as the only way out of prison by acting as intelligence assets. Controlled prison status for convicted terror suspects keeping them out of the general prison population - With the use of covert assets in prison to infiltrate possible operations planning in prisons. Elimination of threats abroad specifically those involved in the financing and logistical support of terrorism, through targeted assassination.
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jamiemartin721 Reading 18 Sep 17 3.29pm | |
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Originally posted by dannyh
And yet somehow the manage to cross the borders of a dozen countries or more that have no war in them to get to ours, what could possibly be drawing them to us ? Its our sunny disposition, the weather and the chance to see Crystal Palace play. I find it odd that people would think that the UK is the best place to be a refugee. The money isn't as good, the prospects of success are poor and the journey is difficult, and the UK is a low likelihood of acceptance of claim. Of course the reality is that we're not the first place many turn up, or apply.
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jamiemartin721 Reading 18 Sep 17 3.33pm | |
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Originally posted by Part Time James
I think the UK is too far to travel for anyone seeking asylum. Typical uncaring Britain. Depends on how you get out. If your travelling by ship (a lot of ports) or by plane the UK is fairly reasonable. Plus its relatively easy to get a fake UK or commonwealth passport, or fake visa for an existing passport or fake passport, that can get you to the UK. Also, a lot of people in the world speak some to decent English. Also the UK seems to have a thriving illegal workers market - and one of the prime methods for getting into a country is by using people traffickers who otherwise are smuggling 'slave labour'.
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elgrande bedford 18 Sep 17 3.36pm | |
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So basically the 2 that have been arrested are both refugees,and have been feed and housed with decent caring people..and this is how they thank us.....nice. Edited by elgrande (18 Sep 2017 3.37pm)
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Stirlingsays 18 Sep 17 3.39pm | |
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Originally posted by jamiemartin721
Intelligence led operations, utilisation of the security services and engagement of assets within Muslim communities with a view to targeting high risk assets. Increased police budgets and increased use of GCHQ focused on blanket searches (same as we did with the IRA). Establishing an counter-terrorist operation utilising electronic means including cover-websites and hacking of existing sites to identify users. 'Turncoat' programs for captured terrorists suspects - allowing them to earn release as the only way out of prison by acting as intelligence assets. Controlled prison status for convicted terror suspects keeping them out of the general prison population - With the use of covert assets in prison to infiltrate possible operations planning in prisons. Elimination of threats abroad specifically those involved in the financing and logistical support of terrorism, through targeted assassination. All of that is failure. All you have to offer as solutions is increased spending and increased risk as demographics as a population percentage increase in the wrong direction. Peaceful Muslims are not the issue, for the others it has to be reform or deport. Anyone who stands in the way of those realities takes some responsibility for our coming realities.
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jamiemartin721 Reading 18 Sep 17 3.49pm | |
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Originally posted by hedgehog50
In what way is it not. Well for starters, only 34% of applications are initially granted, of the remaining 66%, 36% were granted the right to appeal. Applicants are required to apply upon arrival in the UK. Out of the 558,000 people who came to the UK last year only 27,000 were seeking asylum. The UK detains more asylum applicants than any other western European country - currently around 25,000 or so are in detention centres (which costs around 80 quid a day per detainee). Hardly an open door.
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jamiemartin721 Reading 18 Sep 17 3.58pm | |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
All of that is failure. All you have to offer as solutions is increased spending and increased risk as demographics as a population percentage increase in the wrong direction. Peaceful Muslims are not the issue, for the others it has to be reform or deport. Anyone who stands in the way of those realities takes some responsibility for our coming realities. Well firstly, I don't think any approach can be 100% successful. How exactly is that going to work - aren't you only going to know that someone is a threat after you've acquired sufficient evidence to build a case for deporting them. At which point, you're effectively deporting someone, with extensive knowledge of the UK and radical circles in the UK, to a country where there is likely to be radical groups. That's just putting assets into enemy hands. Surely if you've established someone is a threat, you should either move to convict or take them out of circulation. Plus you also then need to map out the people they've been in contact with, to find out who else they might be working with. Also where do you deport people who are British born? How exactly are you going to 'reform'. I quite agree with the idea of encouraging the moderates and the reformers. Or are you talking about the idea of just drawing an arbitrary line and deporting people who haven't actually committed any crime or threat, other than have ideas you might not like.
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jamiemartin721 Reading 18 Sep 17 4.00pm | |
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Originally posted by elgrande
So basically the 2 that have been arrested are both refugees,and have been feed and housed with decent caring people..and this is how they thank us.....nice. Edited by elgrande (18 Sep 2017 3.37pm) Whilst other people immediately spring to use this as a justification as to why we should blanket ban refugees. These two, f**k em, they're going to be enjoying the UK maximum security prison system for the next 30-40 years plus.
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