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Hrolf The Ganger 05 Sep 17 8.57pm | |
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Originally posted by Ray in Houston
The point is that there are things that we don't need to be doing that can help us live longer, healthier lives. Scientists are speculating that consumption of the modern processed / meat diet will mean that the current generation of kids could be the first to live shorter lives than their parents. So we should ban cars, aircraft, volcanos? What I'm trying to say is that we must put these things into a sensible context. People, in general, eat too much and are getting increasingly fat. The best advice for many people is to eat less and exercise more. That makes sense. More specific advise is less useful.
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sitdownstandup 05 Sep 17 8.59pm | |
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There is a growing amount of evidence to support the idea that eating meat is destroying health but people will choose to believe whatever they like. Edited by sitdownstandup (05 Sep 2017 9.04pm)
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Stirlingsays 05 Sep 17 9.02pm | |
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Originally posted by sitdownstandup
if we are designed to eat meat why dont we salivate at the sight of roadkill? Im pretty sure a truly carnivorous animal would eat that animal raw. Humans have to jump through hoops to eat dead animals. Farming them, catching them, cleaning them, cooking them. Most true carnivorous animals dont bother with all that stuff they just catch them, kill them and eat them. Herbivorous animals eat vegetables and fruits no problems. Why do we go through so much hassle to eat dead animals when the body will survive without the related health problems by eating a healthy vegan diet as prescribed by a growing number of doctors. Edited by sitdownstandup (05 Sep 2017 8.56pm) If you were back in time with our ancient ancestors, living in caves, without much meat to hunt you would probably take that dead animal....obviously not killed by a car back then....you'd take it and if it was fresh enough, you would probably cook it. Like I say, our teeth are designed to eat many types of foods......Living into old age and concerning yourself with the most healthy things to eat was hardly more important than not starving. The reason you don't salivate at the sight of roadkill is probably in part because you have a frontal cortex and can reason that you don't need it...Humans aren't meat only mammals anyway.....Even well fed dogs leave road kill and they don't have much of a frontal cortex.
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Stirlingsays 05 Sep 17 9.06pm | |
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Originally posted by sitdownstandup
There is a growing amount of evidence to support the idea that eating meat is destroying health but people will choose to believe whatever they like. Edited by sitdownstandup (05 Sep 2017 9.04pm) Well, eating too much meat certainly. As for criticizing other people's beliefs....well possibly, but how are you any different in this yourself? Are your beliefs solely dictated by the science on this or do you pick and choose what you want to follow? Edited by Stirlingsays (05 Sep 2017 9.08pm)
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sitdownstandup 05 Sep 17 9.09pm | |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
If you were back in time with our ancient ancestors, living in caves, without much meat to hunt you would probably take that dead animal....obviously not killed by a car back then....you'd take it and if it was fresh enough, you would probably cook it. Like I say, our teeth are designed to eat many types of foods. The reason you don't salivate at the sight of roadkill is probably in part because you have a frontal cortex and can reason that you don't need it...Humans aren't meat only mammals anyway.....Even well fed dogs leave road kill and they don't have much of a frontal cortex. Edited by Stirlingsays (05 Sep 2017 9.03pm) what if the human was starving and did need it? A hungry carnvivore would eat it and would more than likely not suffer any ill effects. Humans could cook the food and still suffer disease if it wasnt properly cleaned and cooked. Humans are better off eating fruits, veg, grains, cereals etc.
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sitdownstandup 05 Sep 17 9.11pm | |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
Well, eating too much meat certainly. As for criticizing other people's beliefs....well possibly, but how are you any different in this yourself? Are your beliefs solely dictated by the science on this or do you pick and choose what you want to follow? Edited by Stirlingsays (05 Sep 2017 9.08pm) its based on the growing amount of evidence supporting plant based diets advocated by doctors and the people reporting health benefits from switching to them.
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Hrolf The Ganger 05 Sep 17 9.14pm | |
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Originally posted by sitdownstandup
what if the human was starving and did need it? A hungry carnvivore would eat it and would more than likely not suffer any ill effects. Humans could cook the food and still suffer disease if it wasnt properly cleaned and cooked. Humans are better off eating fruits, veg, grains, cereals etc. Not if they lived in ice age Europe. We have survived because we are adaptable.
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sitdownstandup 05 Sep 17 9.16pm | |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
Not if they lived in ice age Europe. We have survived because we are adaptable. we dont live in ice age europe, its easy to eat a vegan diet now and still survive.
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Hrolf The Ganger 05 Sep 17 9.16pm | |
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Originally posted by sitdownstandup
its based on the growing amount of evidence supporting plant based diets advocated by doctors and the people reporting health benefits from switching to them. Reducing meat intake and eating more veg does not equal becoming a vegan or a vegetarian. You don't seem to grasp the concept of moderation.
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Stirlingsays 05 Sep 17 9.21pm | |
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Originally posted by sitdownstandup
its based on the growing amount of evidence supporting plant based diets advocated by doctors and the people reporting health benefits from switching to them. I'm not going to knock plant based diets. However, that isn't the same as saying people shouldn't eat meat. It's the type of meat and how much. Bacon sandwiches aren't going to help anyone...red meat has a lot of saturated fats but lean chicken is another story. Edited by Stirlingsays (05 Sep 2017 9.23pm)
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Ray in Houston Houston 05 Sep 17 9.31pm | |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
So we should ban cars, aircraft, volcanos? What I'm trying to say is that we must put these things into a sensible context. People, in general, eat too much and are getting increasingly fat. The best advice for many people is to eat less and exercise more. That makes sense. More specific advise is less useful.
But cutting out meat is good for you directly and good for the environment and is also much healthier ecologically (pigs in North Carolina produce 10x the amount of s*** that the human population does – which gets sprayed untreated onto fields where the toxins wash into the waterways, or the collection ponds just leak directly). The land on which livestock is raised is rendered a toxic wasteland. Conversely, the land on which food crops are grown can be tilled over and used again (with a little rotation for longevity).
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sitdownstandup 05 Sep 17 9.34pm | |
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Originally posted by Ray in Houston
But cutting out meat is good for you directly and good for the environment and is also much healthier ecologically (pigs in North Carolina produce 10x the amount of s*** that the human population does – which gets sprayed untreated onto fields where the toxins wash into the waterways, or the collection ponds just leak directly). The land on which livestock is raised is rendered a toxic wasteland. Conversely, the land on which food crops are grown can be tilled over and used again (with a little rotation for longevity). and thats without mentioning the important fact that it doesnt cause any cruelty to animals either.
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