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  Hrolf The Ganger  31 Aug 17 5.06pm |
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Originally posted by Kermit8
Even though you went there will be a bus along in a minute, full of frothy-mouthed reactionaries that didn't go, to undermine your post shortly. So one person's observations are better evidence than statistical facts? Kermit world.
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| Hrolf The Ganger 31 Aug 17 5.09pm |
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Originally posted by Willo
Hrolf It is a shameful statistic and the criminalty is totally disgraceful but can you ever see it being banned in future ? Can you imagine the furore, vitriol and vituperation if such steps were taken ! I expect it will carry on forever irrespective of the level of crime simply to appease minorities. That is modern Britain. At the mercy of identity politics and scum bag politicians scared of losing votes.
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| nickgusset Shizzlehurst 31 Aug 17 5.38pm |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
I expect it will carry on forever irrespective of the level of crime simply to appease minorities. That is modern Britain. At the mercy of identity politics and scum bag politicians scared of losing votes. no. It's common sense to keep a national institution going. 0.05% of a crowd should not be enough to stop the enjoyment of the other 1999000 attending every year. It's cause it's a minority event that some despise it.
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| Willo South coast - west of Brighton. 31 Aug 17 5.43pm |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
I expect it will carry on forever irrespective of the level of crime simply to appease minorities. That is modern Britain. At the mercy of identity politics and scum bag politicians scared of losing votes. Hrolf I share this view entirely.
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RickySpanish  31 Aug 17 5.45pm |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
So one person's observations are better evidence than statistical facts? Kermit world. Except its not just one persons assessment is it. I, along with millions of others over the years enjoy or enjoyed the event. I appreciate that there are those who dont but I'd imagine a majority of those are probably people who have never been, those who aren't really open to cultural integration or the "well to do" who have recently moved into the area as part of the gentrification at the expense of those who were pushed out (but that's a whole new can of Red Stripe I cant be arsed to get into). As for statistical facts... its amazing what you can do with a bit of spin. A lot of your posts are rather 'samey'.
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| Hrolf The Ganger 31 Aug 17 5.53pm |
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Originally posted by RickySpanish
Except its not just one persons assessment is it. I, along with millions of others over the years enjoy or enjoyed the event. I appreciate that there are those who dont but I'd imagine a majority of those are probably people who have never been, those who aren't really open to cultural integration or the "well to do" who have recently moved into the area as part of the gentrification at the expense of those who were pushed out (but that's a whole new can of Red Stripe I cant be arsed to get into). As for statistical facts... its amazing what you can do with a bit of spin. A lot of your posts are rather 'samey'. Some people enjoyed WW2. Anecdotal expressions do not cut it. 1000 people arrested for a 3 day Carnival? Or do you think they made that up?
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| Hrolf The Ganger 31 Aug 17 5.55pm |
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Originally posted by nickgusset
no. It's common sense to keep a national institution going. 0.05% of a crowd should not be enough to stop the enjoyment of the other 1999000 attending every year. It's cause it's a minority event that some despise it. The percentage of people involved is irrelevant. That is not the important statistic.
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| RickySpanish 31 Aug 17 5.59pm |
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Originally posted by Willo
NOT "Funny" at all if you were the victim of the violence. Of course I get the bit about the carnival atmosphere, the outpouring of goodwill and joy portrayed by the left-wing press but one shouldn't gloss over the disgraceful criminality which year on tear pervades this event. Hundreds of arrests, 31 police officers injured by bottles etc, acid attacks, knives, hammers etc seized.This is not some "Froth-filled" frenzy by a right-wing Tory this is the reality sadly. I have said enough on this, will now concentrate on all the transfer activity !!!! Edited by Willo (31 Aug 2017 4.12pm) Thought about applying that logic to ALL events or are we just singling out (ethnic) one? There were a number of arrests at the NYE display for violence and sexual assaults. Dunno about you, but I'm thinking maybe they should cancel the next one...
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| Willo South coast - west of Brighton. 31 Aug 17 6.02pm |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
The percentage of people involved is irrelevant. That is not the important statistic. I concur with these sentiments. Of course the vast majority were well behaved and well-intentioned and enjoyed the festivities but one cannot gloss over the fact that there were pre-carnival raids on over 600 people, there were over 300 arrests at the carnival with over 30 police officers injured.There were acidic liquid offences, sexual offences,Police were subjected to attacks by blood,bottles and fluids and there were knives, hammers,batons and CSS spray seized. These are FACTS not some kind of "Spin".But somehow it is OK because only a small % behaved in such a manner !!!! Edited by Willo (31 Aug 2017 6.05pm)
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| Hrolf The Ganger 31 Aug 17 6.03pm |
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Originally posted by RickySpanish
Thought about applying that logic to ALL events or are we just singling out (ethnic) one? There were a number of arrests at the NYE display for violence and sexual assaults. Dunno about you, but I'm thinking maybe they should cancel the next one... Were there 1000 in 3 days? I challenge someone to find me a similar example in recent times.
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| Willo South coast - west of Brighton. 31 Aug 17 6.04pm |
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Originally posted by RickySpanish
Thought about applying that logic to ALL events or are we just singling out (ethnic) one? There were a number of arrests at the NYE display for violence and sexual assaults. Dunno about you, but I'm thinking maybe they should cancel the next one... I would express similar sentiments for a non-ethnic event which attracted such abhorrent criminality.Whether it is ethnic or not is irrelevant to me.
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| RickySpanish 31 Aug 17 6.14pm |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
Some people enjoyed WW2. Anecdotal expressions do not cut it. 1000 people arrested for a 3 day Carnival? Or do you think they made that up? You can be arrested for swearing. Suppose I could add that to help the spin of those statistical facts. Everyone acknowledges crime happens at the event. Some of us are just a bit more aware of the crimes that happen at other events (that seem to draw less attention). Given the size of the event I think things could be a whole lot different. Anyway whats your favourite tea? Lapsang
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