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jamiemartin721 Reading 11 Aug 17 11.07am
Originally posted by Stirlingsays Well, there are a hell of a lot of people with British passports who technically qualify as British that personally I don't accept as British. For me my qualification is, 'who would you fight for...or support if you had to'. Tebbit was right...It really is the cricket test and always has been....There are some tricky areas accepted...people with parents of different nationalities and so on...There are exceptions to every rule if you are going to try to be fair. Nationality is where the heart is....which is normally down to your cultural upbringing. Personally I like how Japan regard nationality....to them it's important...I wouldn't have exactly the same system though. Being a low level nationalist it is to me as well....But that doesn't mean I think I'm better than someone else just because I call myself English...That's absurd and an argument from some opponents who only see a caricature. I've taught foreign students I've encouraged to live here because they are truly excellent people who love the country and others that I've privately really wished wouldn't be here. But we can't issue passports on what people say, because people lie to gain advantage all the time....So it's parents, etc etc. But that don't mean sh1t in my book Edited by Stirlingsays (11 Aug 2017 6.57am) Nah that's bollocks. Every Indian I know supports the Indian cricket team and the England Football and Rugby teams. Its complicated - all people have loyalities and ties that go beyond nationality. My best friends dad is Kenyan Indian, he supports India at cricket, he also was part of the Air Force as a meteorologist for 15 years. None of his family that I've met regard themselves as being Indian, but British-Indian, in the same way that plenty of people are British-Scottish, or British-English. People have ties to those nations, family, friends that go back generations, as well as ties to family and friends here. If someone was willing to cut all those ties to be British, I don't think I'd want them truth be told. Should I surrender my heritage just so I can be British in someone elses eyes, when its a definition of British I don't agree with? People are very complicated - Its absurd to expect people to abandon all their ties to a homeland, and then celebrate it when other British people retain their ties to England, Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland in the same way. "One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug" [Link]
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Reading 11 Aug 17 11.07am

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

Well, there are a hell of a lot of people with British passports who technically qualify as British that personally I don't accept as British.

For me my qualification is, 'who would you fight for...or support if you had to'. Tebbit was right...It really is the cricket test and always has been....There are some tricky areas accepted...people with parents of different nationalities and so on...There are exceptions to every rule if you are going to try to be fair.

Nationality is where the heart is....which is normally down to your cultural upbringing. Personally I like how Japan regard nationality....to them it's important...I wouldn't have exactly the same system though. Being a low level nationalist it is to me as well....But that doesn't mean I think I'm better than someone else just because I call myself English...That's absurd and an argument from some opponents who only see a caricature.

I've taught foreign students I've encouraged to live here because they are truly excellent people who love the country and others that I've privately really wished wouldn't be here.

But we can't issue passports on what people say, because people lie to gain advantage all the time....So it's parents, etc etc.

But that don't mean sh1t in my book

Edited by Stirlingsays (11 Aug 2017 6.57am)

Nah that's bollocks. Every Indian I know supports the Indian cricket team and the England Football and Rugby teams. Its complicated - all people have loyalities and ties that go beyond nationality.

My best friends dad is Kenyan Indian, he supports India at cricket, he also was part of the Air Force as a meteorologist for 15 years. None of his family that I've met regard themselves as being Indian, but British-Indian, in the same way that plenty of people are British-Scottish, or British-English.

People have ties to those nations, family, friends that go back generations, as well as ties to family and friends here. If someone was willing to cut all those ties to be British, I don't think I'd want them truth be told.

Should I surrender my heritage just so I can be British in someone elses eyes, when its a definition of British I don't agree with?

People are very complicated - Its absurd to expect people to abandon all their ties to a homeland, and then celebrate it when other British people retain their ties to England, Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland in the same way.

"One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug"
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Hrolf The Ganger 11 Aug 17 11.20am
Originally posted by jamiemartin721 Well, if he has a British passport, then he must have been born to, and raised by British citizens though. You don't just get a British passport for being top of a list, there is quite a process to go through - You have to apply for, and qualify for British citizenship. Even if your an asylum applicant - you have to first get through the asylum application process, be approved (and even then that doesn't guarantee you citizenship - mostly its temporary asylum - and then you have to live in the UK for about 5 years before you can claim citizenship. My wife went through this. To get a working residence in the UK in 1998, she had to show she had enough money to sustain her in the UK for six months, a profession. She paid to qualify as a British Teacher, taught in the UK from 98-2005 and applied for citizenship and passed the citizenship test. Obtaining a British Passport, legally, isn't easy if your a foreign national. I happily accept all that, but once again you are talking about technicalities. I am talking about perceptions based on predetermined ideas. If a majority make the same loose determination then that is what actually matters in practice. People won't be told an apple is an orange by a piece of paper if all they see is an apple.
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Originally posted by jamiemartin721

Well, if he has a British passport, then he must have been born to, and raised by British citizens though. You don't just get a British passport for being top of a list, there is quite a process to go through - You have to apply for, and qualify for British citizenship. Even if your an asylum applicant - you have to first get through the asylum application process, be approved (and even then that doesn't guarantee you citizenship - mostly its temporary asylum - and then you have to live in the UK for about 5 years before you can claim citizenship.

My wife went through this. To get a working residence in the UK in 1998, she had to show she had enough money to sustain her in the UK for six months, a profession. She paid to qualify as a British Teacher, taught in the UK from 98-2005 and applied for citizenship and passed the citizenship test.

Obtaining a British Passport, legally, isn't easy if your a foreign national.

I happily accept all that, but once again you are talking about technicalities. I am talking about perceptions based on predetermined ideas. If a majority make the same loose determination then that is what actually matters in practice. People won't be told an apple is an orange by a piece of paper if all they see is an apple.

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Hrolf The Ganger 11 Aug 17 11.24am
Originally posted by jamiemartin721 Nah that's bollocks. Every Indian I know supports the Indian cricket team and the England Football and Rugby teams. Its complicated - all people have loyalities and ties that go beyond nationality. My best friends dad is Kenyan Indian, he supports India at cricket, he also was part of the Air Force as a meteorologist for 15 years. None of his family that I've met regard themselves as being Indian, but British-Indian, in the same way that plenty of people are British-Scottish, or British-English. People have ties to those nations, family, friends that go back generations, as well as ties to family and friends here. If someone was willing to cut all those ties to be British, I don't think I'd want them truth be told. Should I surrender my heritage just so I can be British in someone elses eyes, when its a definition of British I don't agree with? People are very complicated - Its absurd to expect people to abandon all their ties to a homeland, and then celebrate it when other British people retain their ties to England, Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland in the same way. No, that would be your right. But if you want to be seen as 'British', then you do. You cannot say, I want people to know me as 'British' and then do everything possible to remain otherwise in other peopls eyes.
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11 Aug 17 11.24am

Originally posted by jamiemartin721

Nah that's bollocks. Every Indian I know supports the Indian cricket team and the England Football and Rugby teams. Its complicated - all people have loyalities and ties that go beyond nationality.

Should I surrender my heritage just so I can be British in someone elses eyes, when its a definition of British I don't agree with?

No, that would be your right. But if you want to be seen as 'British', then you do.
You cannot say, I want people to know me as 'British' and then do everything possible to remain otherwise in other peopls eyes.

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lankygit Lincoln 11 Aug 17 11.46am
Originally posted by Midlands Eagle Lager and curry That`s me phucked then ME. As a spicy food hating real ale drinker an identity crisis looms. Is this a five minute argument, or the full half hour? [Link]
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Originally posted by Midlands Eagle

Lager and curry

That`s me phucked then ME. As a spicy food hating real ale drinker an identity crisis looms.

Is this a five minute argument, or the full half hour? [Link]

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Hrolf The Ganger 11 Aug 17 8.46pm
The thread on this on the BBS is prize. The usual apologists, Muslims and assorted lefties that effectively run the site, busting a gut to defend Islam, religion, and Asians in general without any apparent consideration for the victims or any acknowledgment that the Muslim community has a cancer of nonces and perverts in its ranks that this country could well do without, especially if you are a young vulnerable white girl.
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Hrolf The Ganger

11 Aug 17 8.46pm

The thread on this on the BBS is prize.

The usual apologists, Muslims and assorted lefties that effectively run the site, busting a gut to defend Islam, religion, and Asians in general without any apparent consideration for the victims or any acknowledgment that the Muslim community has a cancer of nonces and perverts in its ranks that this country could well do without, especially if you are a young vulnerable white girl.

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Stirlingsays 11 Aug 17 9.00pm
Originally posted by jamiemartin721 Nah that's bollocks. It's bollocks to you perhaps, but not to me. I believe that a little bit of nationalism is a good thing for a nation...I think we all know that you don't. That's fair enough. I know the reasoning for being against nationalism, but I just don't agree with it. 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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