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7mins Flag In the bush 01 Aug 17 9.16pm Send a Private Message to 7mins Add 7mins as a friend

Originally posted by jamiemartin721

I live in Reading - and there most certainly is crime at the Reading Festival, and a spike in crime around the period of the festival. Robbery, sex offences, drug offences and assaults spike over the weekend of the festival. It doesn't get the kind of national news coverage that Notting Hill festival gets (and I dare say the seriousness of some of the crimes is much lower) but there is definitely a mini-crime wave festival weekend - and its all generally around the festival site and area.

Shoplifting goes crazy as well on the Saturday morning of the festival. When I worked a shop in Reading, we'd generally catch three or four shoplifters on a Festival Saturday, compared to maybe one a week.

I don't think shop lifting deserves the same media coverage as stabbings... in fact... I can't remember the last time the mainstream media covered a shop lifting story.

The problem people have discussing these issues... is if you're black... you take it personally, If you're white... you think of your black mate Keith from the squash club, and think.. hang on... he ain't a criminal... I'm not saying ALL young black men are uneducated animals... I'm saying black people commit a far greater % of crime than any other ethnic group (comparable to their % of the greater population). Black boys are the worst performing in education... (although whites are starting to make inroads).

If you're black, you're far more likely to live in a house with only one parent.

I will also add... and this is just a theory I have based on my family and friends, so I may be massively wrong.... the black side of my family... all believed in hitting their kids when naughty... The white side believed in different forms of discipline, that didn't involve hitting. My uncle used to snap branches off the tree in his back yard to beat his kids... if we went there... and the tree was bare... we'd know his kids had been naughty... My parents always impressed the merits of conflict resolution through talking... this wasn't the case on the black side of my family... I don't mean it to sound like the white side of my family were civilised and the black side were knuckle dragging thicko's... I just think we're conditioned by our environment... and if you're brought up in a aggressive household... it's more likely you'll be a aggressive adult.


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There were things my black family had that my white family didn't... They seemed healthier, they certainly had a better diet, they exercised more... and overall, seemed less stressed... they also were more generous.

 

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7mins Flag In the bush 01 Aug 17 9.23pm Send a Private Message to 7mins Add 7mins as a friend

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

You sound like a role model for anybody of any cultural or racial background. Every group has its apologists and victim culture enthusiasts....and don't get me wrong we have a long way to go before ability is the only determinate of success.....However, you make important points that get cast aside in the great rush to finger point.

Cheers bud.... I just try to be honest and agendaless... It doesn't sit well with everyone.

 

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7mins Flag In the bush 01 Aug 17 10.28pm Send a Private Message to 7mins Add 7mins as a friend

Originally posted by Shifty97

There is crime at many different events and festivals however it is just reported a lot less

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There is a problem with NH carnival... so much so 43 police were injured... and police are now dreading working at it.

What is your source for saying other festivals are being reported differently?

NH is the worst... so is reported more.

 

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Jimenez Flag SELHURSTPARKCHESTER,DA BRONX 01 Aug 17 10.30pm Send a Private Message to Jimenez Add Jimenez as a friend

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

Intelligent no, educated yes. Every group has its own 'intelligentsia' within it. Within that group it's important to be educated. But within the wider community no. My experience of this came from being raised on an estate myself.

Ghetto culture keeps black people down. Look at them compared to the Asian community. The difference is stark and any commentary that doesn't analyse the facts on the ground is remiss.

I agree with some of this statement a lot of Black kids all think they are going to be the next LeBron James or Jay Z they have that ghetto mentality. I also have noted over the last couple of years some Bengali entrepreneur has opened up (In old stores) Khan's Tutorial without fail If I walk past on a Saturday or Sunday the place is absolutely jam packed with kids studying.

 


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Stirlingsays Flag 01 Aug 17 10.42pm Send a Private Message to Stirlingsays Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add Stirlingsays as a friend

Originally posted by Jimenez

I agree with some of this statement a lot of Black kids all think they are going to be the next LeBron James or Jay Z they have that ghetto mentality. I also have noted over the last couple of years some Bengali entrepreneur has opened up (In old stores) Khan's Tutorial without fail If I walk past on a Saturday or Sunday the place is absolutely jam packed with kids studying.

It's a testament to that culture. Do you mean Sal Khan? The US guy comes from a Bengali family, he's just a benefit to the whole human race...Like Elon Musk but just for education.

 


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Jimenez Flag SELHURSTPARKCHESTER,DA BRONX 01 Aug 17 10.49pm Send a Private Message to Jimenez Add Jimenez as a friend

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

It's a testament to that culture. Do you mean Sal Khan? The US guy comes from a Bengali family, he's just a benefit to the whole human race...Like Elon Musk but just for education.

It could well be. I would have to google it.

 


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jamiemartin721 Flag Reading 02 Aug 17 10.18am

Originally posted by 7mins

I don't think shop lifting deserves the same media coverage as stabbings... in fact... I can't remember the last time the mainstream media covered a shop lifting story.

The problem people have discussing these issues... is if you're black... you take it personally, If you're white... you think of your black mate Keith from the squash club, and think.. hang on... he ain't a criminal... I'm not saying ALL young black men are uneducated animals... I'm saying black people commit a far greater % of crime than any other ethnic group (comparable to their % of the greater population). Black boys are the worst performing in education... (although whites are starting to make inroads).

If you're black, you're far more likely to live in a house with only one parent.

I will also add... and this is just a theory I have based on my family and friends, so I may be massively wrong.... the black side of my family... all believed in hitting their kids when naughty... The white side believed in different forms of discipline, that didn't involve hitting. My uncle used to snap branches off the tree in his back yard to beat his kids... if we went there... and the tree was bare... we'd know his kids had been naughty... My parents always impressed the merits of conflict resolution through talking... this wasn't the case on the black side of my family... I don't mean it to sound like the white side of my family were civilised and the black side were knuckle dragging thicko's... I just think we're conditioned by our environment... and if you're brought up in a aggressive household... it's more likely you'll be a aggressive adult.


For balance
There were things my black family had that my white family didn't... They seemed healthier, they certainly had a better diet, they exercised more... and overall, seemed less stressed... they also were more generous.

That all seems pretty reasonable to me. I mentioned shoplifting as its personal experience. On a side note a friend of mine was stabbed at Reading festival - although in fairness he probably was asking for it, given he'd lent a sword to a Hells Angel make and went to get it back from them.

The seriousness of crime at Notting Hill is a cause for real concern, there is no getting away from it and there are problems within the black community that are self defeating, and it shouldn't be racist to discuss the actual problems - because many of these problems are also present in crime in other ethnic communities as well including whites.

The problem really is when we discuss these issues as being only black issues. They just more pronounced in the black community I think, issues with absent parents, poverty etc is generally a factor in white violent crime as well - particually in the underclasses.

 


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jamiemartin721 Flag Reading 02 Aug 17 10.22am

Originally posted by Jimenez

I agree with some of this statement a lot of Black kids all think they are going to be the next LeBron James or Jay Z they have that ghetto mentality. I also have noted over the last couple of years some Bengali entrepreneur has opened up (In old stores) Khan's Tutorial without fail If I walk past on a Saturday or Sunday the place is absolutely jam packed with kids studying.

I suspect as well that LeBron James and Jay Z also didn't have that mentality either - they worked hard to get their break.

People tend to forget that Ice-Cube prior to being a rapper was studying architecture at college.

 


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nickgusset Flag Shizzlehurst 02 Aug 17 10.24am

Originally posted by jamiemartin721

That all seems pretty reasonable to me. I mentioned shoplifting as its personal experience. On a side note a friend of mine was stabbed at Reading festival - although in fairness he probably was asking for it, given he'd lent a sword to a Hells Angel make and went to get it back from them.

The seriousness of crime at Notting Hill is a cause for real concern, there is no getting away from it and there are problems within the black community that are self defeating, and it shouldn't be racist to discuss the actual problems - because many of these problems are also present in crime in other ethnic communities as well including whites.

The problem really is when we discuss these issues as being only black issues. They just more pronounced in the black community I think, issues with absent parents, poverty etc is generally a factor in white violent crime as well - particually in the underclasses.

Same as it ever was...
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Yellow Card - User has been warned of conduct on the messageboards Hrolf The Ganger Flag 02 Aug 17 11.52am Send a Private Message to Hrolf The Ganger Add Hrolf The Ganger as a friend

Originally posted by nickgusset

Same as it ever was...
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Not the old poverty as an excuse for crime thing again.

I'd say that the only excuse you could make is if your kids were starving to death and you were incapable of receiving or making any money by any legal means.
Doubt there are too many like that in 21st century Britain. But you carry on deluding yourself scum who don't give a damn about anyone but themselves and would stab you for a mobile phone, deserve sympathy.

 

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jamiemartin721 Flag Reading 02 Aug 17 12.14pm

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

Not the old poverty as an excuse for crime thing again.

I'd say that the only excuse you could make is if your kids were starving to death and you were incapable of receiving or making any money by any legal means.
Doubt there are too many like that in 21st century Britain. But you carry on deluding yourself scum who don't give a damn about anyone but themselves and would stab you for a mobile phone, deserve sympathy.

They don't - and I think its weird that you think that's what the relationship between poverty and violent crime means. What it means is that poverty feeds into a social environment that creates dysfunction that results in people having that kind of attitude to life, and the lives of others.

Its not an excuse its a reason why it occurs. The impact of poverty is a very well established factor in crime and the production of negative social aspects that lead to dysfunctional upbringings.

The longer we just ignore that, the longer we create a major factor that feeds into the production of such people. Its not the 'not having money' its the impact that living has in poverty on how people grow up and learn values.

 


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hedgehog50 Flag Croydon 02 Aug 17 12.49pm

Originally posted by jamiemartin721

They don't - and I think its weird that you think that's what the relationship between poverty and violent crime means. What it means is that poverty feeds into a social environment that creates dysfunction that results in people having that kind of attitude to life, and the lives of others.

Its not an excuse its a reason why it occurs. The impact of poverty is a very well established factor in crime and the production of negative social aspects that lead to dysfunctional upbringings.

The longer we just ignore that, the longer we create a major factor that feeds into the production of such people. Its not the 'not having money' its the impact that living has in poverty on how people grow up and learn values.

I suppose this is because they are in 'poverty'? But of course we can be sure that it has nothing whatsoever to do with Islam.

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