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Goldfiinger Just down the road 02 Jul 17 12.52pm
Originally posted by Willo This is my point. Such details are confidential and NOT fed to the media as such any such details are the result of rampant speculation which then is spread around fan sites and probably social media alike. Yes fans speculating. That probably accounts for well over 50% of all posts.... what's your point?
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Goldfiinger

Just down the road 02 Jul 17 12.52pm

Originally posted by Willo

This is my point.

Such details are confidential and NOT fed to the media as such any such details are the result of rampant speculation which then is spread around fan sites and probably social media alike.

Yes fans speculating. That probably accounts for well over 50% of all posts.... what's your point?

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Willo South coast - west of Brighton. 02 Jul 17 1.18pm
Originally posted by Goldfiinger Yes fans speculating. That probably accounts for well over 50% of all posts.... what's your point? Figures are banded about as though they are FACT. Figures are spread around on such sites and social media and it becomes the narrative when in essence it can be fake news. Supporters come up with a budget figure - we have X so we can afford A,B,C etc etc !!!! A lot of "Pie in the sky" stuff about. Edited by Willo (02 Jul 2017 1.22pm)
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Willo

South coast - west of Brighton. 02 Jul 17 1.18pm

Originally posted by Goldfiinger

Yes fans speculating. That probably accounts for well over 50% of all posts.... what's your point?

Figures are banded about as though they are FACT.
Figures are spread around on such sites and social media and it becomes the narrative when in essence it can be fake news.

Supporters come up with a budget figure - we have X so we can afford A,B,C etc etc !!!!

A lot of "Pie in the sky" stuff about.

Edited by Willo (02 Jul 2017 1.22pm)

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Goldfiinger Just down the road 02 Jul 17 1.29pm
Who cares... that's what happens on fans sites people speculate on transfers and how much clubs might have to spend. Figures are all based on our interpretation of Parishs comments and no one is purporting them to be facts. Funny how some can comment on 'ITK' information and yet others can't speculate based upon information freely available...
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Goldfiinger

Just down the road 02 Jul 17 1.29pm

Who cares... that's what happens on fans sites people speculate on transfers and how much clubs might have to spend.

Figures are all based on our interpretation of Parishs comments and no one is purporting them to be facts.

Funny how some can comment on 'ITK' information and yet others can't speculate based upon information freely available...

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Dan89 Se25 02 Jul 17 1.31pm
Originally posted by Goldfiinger Who cares... that's what happens on fans sites people speculate on transfers and how much clubs might have to spend. Figures are all based on our interpretation of Parishs comments and no one is purporting them to be facts. Funny how some can comment on 'ITK' information and yet others can't speculate based upon information freely available... Well put goldfinger unless it comes from willo it's not a fact (supposedly). If we didn't speculate on this site. They'd be nothing to discuss. Another Damien Diagonal - Total Football
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Dan89

Se25 02 Jul 17 1.31pm

Originally posted by Goldfiinger

Who cares... that's what happens on fans sites people speculate on transfers and how much clubs might have to spend.

Figures are all based on our interpretation of Parishs comments and no one is purporting them to be facts.

Funny how some can comment on 'ITK' information and yet others can't speculate based upon information freely available...

Well put goldfinger unless it comes from willo it's not a fact (supposedly). If we didn't speculate on this site. They'd be nothing to discuss.

Another Damien Diagonal - Total Football

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Willo South coast - west of Brighton. 02 Jul 17 2.05pm
Originally posted by Dan89 Well put goldfinger unless it comes from willo it's not a fact (supposedly). If we didn't speculate on this site. They'd be nothing to discuss. I'm not trying to suppress speculation on HOL. All I am saying is that some details are presented as fact and this becomes the narrative and the parameters of the debate are set accordingly.
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Willo

South coast - west of Brighton. 02 Jul 17 2.05pm

Originally posted by Dan89

Well put goldfinger unless it comes from willo it's not a fact (supposedly). If we didn't speculate on this site. They'd be nothing to discuss.

I'm not trying to suppress speculation on HOL.

All I am saying is that some details are presented as fact and this becomes the narrative and the parameters of the debate are set accordingly.

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Dan89 Se25 02 Jul 17 2.19pm
Originally posted by Willo I'm not trying to suppress speculation on HOL. All I am saying is that some details are presented as fact and this becomes the narrative and the parameters of the debate are set accordingly. Put this way talking about the budget. Wba have nearly signed j.Rodriguez for 12m rising to 15m. If we don't have a competitive budget to strengthen the whole squad. We will struggle. Another Damien Diagonal - Total Football
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Se25 02 Jul 17 2.19pm

Originally posted by Willo

I'm not trying to suppress speculation on HOL.

All I am saying is that some details are presented as fact and this becomes the narrative and the parameters of the debate are set accordingly.

Put this way talking about the budget. Wba have nearly signed j.Rodriguez for 12m rising to 15m. If we don't have a competitive budget to strengthen the whole squad. We will struggle.

Another Damien Diagonal - Total Football

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Goldfiinger Just down the road 02 Jul 17 3.11pm
Originally posted by Willo I'm not trying to suppress speculation on HOL. All I am saying is that some details are presented as fact and this becomes the narrative and the parameters of the debate are set accordingly. Wilo what would you like the parameters of the debate to be other than you?
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Goldfiinger

Just down the road 02 Jul 17 3.11pm

Originally posted by Willo

I'm not trying to suppress speculation on HOL.

All I am saying is that some details are presented as fact and this becomes the narrative and the parameters of the debate are set accordingly.

Wilo what would you like the parameters of the debate to be other than you?

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Willo South coast - west of Brighton. 02 Jul 17 3.17pm
Originally posted by Goldfiinger Wilo what would you like the parameters of the debate to be other than you? You cannot be referring to me who constantly appeals to those on here NOT to make this yet another tedious Willo thread. Now can we debate McArthur and NOT get drawn into a debate about 'Yours Truly'.
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Willo

South coast - west of Brighton. 02 Jul 17 3.17pm

Originally posted by Goldfiinger

Wilo what would you like the parameters of the debate to be other than you?

You cannot be referring to me who constantly appeals to those on here NOT to make this yet another tedious Willo thread.

Now can we debate McArthur and NOT get drawn into a debate about 'Yours Truly'.

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Mr_Gristle In the land of Whelk Eaters 02 Jul 17 10.29pm
We've seen time after time that our bench and first-change players aren't of the quality needed to compete in the bottom half (not the top half) of the Prem. Unless we're about to get an upgrade on JMac plus another squad-quality midfielder who can hold his own without looking outclassed, remind me on what planet it makes sense to flog Jimmy? Well I think Simon's head is large; always involved in espionage. (Name that tune)
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Mr_Gristle

In the land of Whelk Eaters 02 Jul 17 10.29pm

We've seen time after time that our bench and first-change players aren't of the quality needed to compete in the bottom half (not the top half) of the Prem.

Unless we're about to get an upgrade on JMac plus another squad-quality midfielder who can hold his own without looking outclassed, remind me on what planet it makes sense to flog Jimmy?

Well I think Simon's head is large; always involved in espionage. (Name that tune)

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elgrande bedford 02 Jul 17 10.50pm
Originally posted by Willo You cannot be referring to me who constantly appeals to those on here NOT to make this yet another tedious Willo thread. Now can we debate McArthur and NOT get drawn into a debate about 'Yours Truly'. Bit like your view on clattenberk and other useless officials. always a Norwood boy, where ever I live.
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elgrande

bedford 02 Jul 17 10.50pm

Originally posted by Willo

You cannot be referring to me who constantly appeals to those on here NOT to make this yet another tedious Willo thread.

Now can we debate McArthur and NOT get drawn into a debate about 'Yours Truly'.

Bit like your view on clattenberk and other useless officials.

always a Norwood boy, where ever I live.

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chateauferret 02 Jul 17 11.21pm
Originally posted by Willo You cannot be referring to me who constantly appeals to those on here NOT to make this yet another tedious Willo thread. Now can we debate McArthur and NOT get drawn into a debate about 'Yours Truly'. In the absence of hard facts it is reasonable to discuss on the basis of the best assumption that is available, i.e. an educated guess. Anyone who wishes to comment on the basis of a different educated guess is obviously free to say so. Nobody (except you) tried to claim that the figure being discussed was being presented as fact. And if you think the assumption is an unreasonable one you can tell us what in your view would be reasonable, can't you? Or hasn't your pal whispered it in your ear yet? ============ The Ferret ============
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chateauferret

02 Jul 17 11.21pm

Originally posted by Willo

You cannot be referring to me who constantly appeals to those on here NOT to make this yet another tedious Willo thread.

Now can we debate McArthur and NOT get drawn into a debate about 'Yours Truly'.

In the absence of hard facts it is reasonable to discuss on the basis of the best assumption that is available, i.e. an educated guess. Anyone who wishes to comment on the basis of a different educated guess is obviously free to say so. Nobody (except you) tried to claim that the figure being discussed was being presented as fact.

And if you think the assumption is an unreasonable one you can tell us what in your view would be reasonable, can't you? Or hasn't your pal whispered it in your ear yet?

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Willo South coast - west of Brighton. 02 Jul 17 11.29pm
Originally posted by chateauferret In the absence of hard facts it is reasonable to discuss on the basis of the best assumption that is available, i.e. an educated guess. Anyone who wishes to comment on the basis of a different educated guess is obviously free to say so. Nobody (except you) tried to claim that the figure being discussed was being presented as fact. And if you think the assumption is an unreasonable one you can tell us what in your view would be reasonable, can't you? Or hasn't your pal whispered it in your ear yet? Have you not read that I am not privy to the information regarding a player 'Budget' ? Not divulged to me nor would I seek an answer. When figures keep getting bandied about, this becomes the narrative and the debate parameters have been set to the extent that people veer on the side of "Fact".The debate then lurches towards the figures being quoted. One can make assumptions but they could be well off the mark, accordingly anything that follows from this is totally meaningless. Let's not get into the assumption that we have "X" to spend so we can afford A,B & C. We have had our say on this, so can we please return to the subject matter and NOT de-rail this thread with other issues. Edited by Willo (02 Jul 2017 11.31pm)
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Willo

South coast - west of Brighton. 02 Jul 17 11.29pm

Originally posted by chateauferret

And if you think the assumption is an unreasonable one you can tell us what in your view would be reasonable, can't you? Or hasn't your pal whispered it in your ear yet?

Have you not read that I am not privy to the information regarding a player 'Budget' ? Not divulged to me nor would I seek an answer.

When figures keep getting bandied about, this becomes the narrative and the debate parameters have been set to the extent that people veer on the side of "Fact".The debate then lurches towards the figures being quoted.

One can make assumptions but they could be well off the mark, accordingly anything that follows from this is totally meaningless.

Let's not get into the assumption that we have "X" to spend so we can afford A,B & C.

We have had our say on this, so can we please return to the subject matter and NOT de-rail this thread with other issues.

Edited by Willo (02 Jul 2017 11.31pm)

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