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pefwin Where you have to have an English ... 14 Jun 17 12.19pm | |
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A bit of a side but it shows prejudice if not IQ Deficiency in persons. My son school had a French day yesterday, many came in stripy shirts beret and onions / garlic. “Many of colour” came in said stereotype. Would the schoolchildren have been able to black up for Nigeria or Jamaica day?
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jamiemartin721 Reading 14 Jun 17 12.22pm | |
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Originally posted by pefwin
A bit of a side but it shows prejudice if not IQ Deficiency in persons. My son school had a French day yesterday, many came in stripy shirts beret and onions / garlic. “Many of colour” came in said stereotype. Would the schoolchildren have been able to black up for Nigeria or Jamaica day? Nope, because of the historical connotations of white people blacking up, makes it kind of more potentially offensive than people dressing up as a French stereotype. Of course it does beg the question why its ok to mock national stereotypes over racial ones - and the propensity of people to default to quasi-offensive stereotypes so readily. That said, having international dress up days is kind of asking for trouble if you ask me.
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jamiemartin721 Reading 14 Jun 17 12.25pm | |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
I don't think it's fair to blame Kinnock for Blair. Blair happened because of continual election failure and how the Labour elites responded to that. I dislike Blair for different reasons to you but he at least allowed for some of Labour's ideas to get through....some of which have really f***ed the country up. As for Corbyn representing the working class!.....You made me spill my tea....He represents a section....an 'idea' of the working class....One that is painfully one eyed, idealised and prescriptive. Corbyn represents the paid up Labour membership. I'll give you that. Edited by Stirlingsays (14 Jun 2017 11.37am) Well maybe more representative of the working classes than recent Labour leaders. I do quite agree with you that Corbyn represents more of a sub-section of the left that maybe is more about an idealised stereotype of the working classes, than people who actually work in low skilled, semi-skilled and manual work. I'm not sure that Labour really outside of the Unions has much 'common touch', most having never really had a 'proper job' in their life.
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Hrolf The Ganger 14 Jun 17 12.29pm | |
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Originally posted by jamiemartin721
Marxist doesn't automatically equate to communist, and once again, the Communist Party of Great Britain has never really been a problem in UK politics (in fact their a dead end that's long been abandoned). There is a massive difference between the British Communist Party and Labour, even its current leadership. The whole 'left wing = Commies is as tiresome as the right wing = fascist mentality. What Kinnock fought for paved the way for Blairites who utterly undermined and betrayed the core of the Labour party and the issues it was supposed to stand for. The working classes of the United Kingdom. I don't think that is a fair comparison at all. Highlighting the problems with mass immigration has nothing to do with fascism. It is a perfectly reasonable argument that can be supported with example.
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Rudi Hedman Caterham 14 Jun 17 12.30pm | |
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Originally posted by pefwin
A bit of a side but it shows prejudice if not IQ Deficiency in persons. My son school had a French day yesterday, many came in stripy shirts beret and onions / garlic. “Many of colour” came in said stereotype. Would the schoolchildren have been able to black up for Nigeria or Jamaica day? Simple. On French day make sure you haven't washed for a week after having done loads of gardening. On Nigeria day send loads of texts around trying to mislead people into giving their house and savings away and anything that happens that you have done just claim it wasn't you no matter how obvious it actually was.
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Hrolf The Ganger 14 Jun 17 12.40pm | |
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Originally posted by jamiemartin721
Nope, because of the historical connotations of white people blacking up, makes it kind of more potentially offensive than people dressing up as a French stereotype. Of course it does beg the question why its ok to mock national stereotypes over racial ones - and the propensity of people to default to quasi-offensive stereotypes so readily. That said, having international dress up days is kind of asking for trouble if you ask me.
We pander to black sensibilities out of some kind of historical guilt trip. Certain voices among the black community are happy to express offence at every opportunity because it serves their agenda.The average black person with better things to worry about would laugh it off I suspect. That's what people with mature minds do or we would all be squabbling every day. The French couldn't give a s*** what we do because they look down their nose at us in the same way we do at them. It's a mutual disrespect/respect and we enjoy that relationship. It is a mature relationship where both parties feel comfortable in their own national skin and are not going to blub about a bit of stereotyping.
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pefwin Where you have to have an English ... 14 Jun 17 12.40pm | |
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Originally posted by Rudi Hedman
Simple. On French day make sure you haven't washed for a week after having done loads of gardening. On Nigeria day send loads of texts around trying to mislead people into giving their house and savings away and anything that happens that you have done just claim it wasn't you no matter how obvious it actually was. if only, but not the point. BTW I have $10mn waiting to be released by the US treasury but due to a cashflow problem I need a small amount of assets. send me £50k and I will help you a $1mn.
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Kermit8 Hevon 14 Jun 17 12.42pm | |
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Originally posted by Rudi Hedman
Simple. On French day make sure you haven't washed for a week after having done loads of gardening. On Nigeria day send loads of texts around trying to mislead people into giving their house and savings away and anything that happens that you have done just claim it wasn't you no matter how obvious it actually was. And on England Day ban all kids with Labour-voting parents or funny sounding surnames from crossing the border that is the school gate.
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Stirlingsays 14 Jun 17 12.42pm | |
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Originally posted by jamiemartin721
Well maybe more representative of the working classes than recent Labour leaders. I do quite agree with you that Corbyn represents more of a sub-section of the left that maybe is more about an idealised stereotype of the working classes, than people who actually work in low skilled, semi-skilled and manual work. I'm not sure that Labour really outside of the Unions has much 'common touch', most having never really had a 'proper job' in their life. I agree....He is more representative to the working classes since...bloody hell...maybe Smith...When I think of the positives of Corbyn....and I'm a believer that most things contain both positives and negatives when you objectively look at them.....Probably the best aspect about him is that he does appear to actually give a fcuk. I might disagree with some of his solutions actually being effective in achieving his aims...or that he seems to notice that a lot of working class people aren't particularly 'progressive'....But improving the lives of working and poorer people is a noble aim. I don't go with the section of the right that think you can just shut your door and ignore people....the 'I'm alright brigade'. That's a pathway to even worse outcomes. Edited by Stirlingsays (14 Jun 2017 12.43pm)
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Part Time James 14 Jun 17 12.43pm | |
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Shouldn't it be "The Right-Wing are fewer intelligent"?
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hedgehog50 Croydon 14 Jun 17 12.47pm | |
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Originally posted by jamiemartin721
Are they communists? Or are they what you call communist though. Who are they? On what basis are they communists. Andrew Murray (like Corbyn, another child of a wealthy middle class family) who led Labour's campaign certainly and demonstrably is:
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pefwin Where you have to have an English ... 14 Jun 17 12.48pm | |
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Originally posted by jamiemartin721
Nope, because of the historical connotations of white people blacking up, makes it kind of more potentially offensive than people dressing up as a French stereotype. Of course it does beg the question why its ok to mock national stereotypes over racial ones - and the propensity of people to default to quasi-offensive stereotypes so readily. That said, having international dress up days is kind of asking for trouble if you ask me. "historically connotations" which connotations? It is purely modern day sensitivities. Personally, it would be nice if all nationalities could understand that it is about engaging learning than the knee jerk reaction.
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