Problem is, in the 6th/7th century perspective that makes some sense, given the region and the politics - The problem is people who 1400 years later see this as important, and don't see the context around it - Or those who quote it without reference to the rest of the text and other rules and laws.

Religion is full of bulls**t that maybe made sense a thousand or so years ago. But that's the problem with religion, it peddles an absolute truth, and that is as dangerous as things like the 'Party Truth' in Communism, because it gives an authourative truth against which anything can be justified.

Its a bit like trying to fix your mates car based on the Manual for a Model T Ford. Its always going to end badly, probably for someone else.

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I was in Manchester on Sunday for the football and me and my Dad went for drinks and food afterwards and I was saying how much I liked Manchester.

My dad lives and works in the centre as well.

One of my girlfriend's friends and her 8 year old daughter were at the concert as well. Thankfully they are home but are shaken. Apparently, her husband drove at 120mph down the M62 from Leeds to pick them up (they were meant to be getting the train back).

This was far too close to home for me. Absolutely terrified for the future of my kids. I can't even begin to understand how those parents of missing kids feel. It's really upset me this has

Sorry, that is a totally deflective argument.

Any 'interpretation' of religion is problematical, some more so than others but to try and deflect the very real issue by bringing up other religion's issues is risible.

Please tell me what problems we are currently experiencing from the actions of evangelicals.

Please tell me if you know of any security money that has to be budgeted due to the beliefs and actions of evangelicals.

Totally risible argument and you deserve criticism for it.

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

Depends where you are. In America you're around 100x more likely to be killed by an Evangelical than an Islamic terrorist. Look at the religion of most school massacres.

But of course on a higher level you have the religious basis for American wars across the world. People don't realise the extent to this, but given that the Republican base is well over 50% Evangelical, while most of its political officials similarly believe in the literal truth of the Bible, it can't be underestimated how effective religious sentiment is in judtifying every foreign atrocity.

It explains why the US is the only major power not committed to tackling climate change, because most Republicans think the earth was created 3000 years ago and Judgement Day is round the corner. This affects our national security, not only in us having to drastically raise spending on flood defences etc but in creating displaced populations around the world, where terrorist recruiters have a field day.

If punk ever happened I'd be preaching the law, instead of listenin to Lydon lecture BBC4

Can try and reform all people want there will always be a minority or people who take a teaching or words from any holy book and twist or interpret it to fit their own agenda. Know a few Muslims who are as sickened as everyone else about what has taken place. They don't want these acts being carried out in their name. They are sick of comments from strangers in the street when they go out that because they are Muslim or wearing a hijab they are a problem or menace in some way. Equally as fed up with the rantings I have seen elsewhere on the internet that insinuates we are all at war with Islam and all Muslims should be and I quote 'sent home' I don't want that kind of crap being spouted in my name as someone born in Britain.

One thing I did hear on the news this morning was isis actually have globally in countries which they fight or with sympathisers who carry out individual terrorist attacks in the west more Muslim victims . Apparently 90%

When I was a young girl my Mother said to me.. You listen here kid you're CPFC

You didn't answer my questions from the previous post.

Again, how much money are we spending on tackling the problems from fundamentalist Christianity?

You go on about it but you are making a risible point.

I also have serious problems with your description of the republican base being a fair one but I can't be bothered to spend too much time on your attempts to deflect.

Again, if someone isn't causing me a problem I have a certain tolerance for whatever crap they believe....Though I will argue the secular argument with them.

You deserve the criticism you get for your argument.

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)