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jamiemartin721  Reading 05 May 17 11.37am |
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Originally posted by Kermit8
Shouldn't this thread be in Bender Talk? That shouldn't that be 'pomosexual discourse'
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 DanH SW2 05 May 17 11.39am |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
I really couldn't be any clearer. I said your comments so far come across to me as anti masculinity and were a part of the problems with attitudes that the article refers to. Medical science does seek to subvert nature that's correct. But in the vast number of cases it does it with the willing consent of the people concerned. It isn't telling people that masculinity is wrong. Your suggestion that men, 'pretend' to live up to an image is quite annoying yes. It is no doubt true for some but not for others but do you suggest this about women with femininity? I doubt it. I think the word, 'pretend' just doesn't get it. How men perceive their masculinity is no less valid than any other perception. The idea that it needs to be corrected or altered to fit some other perception is nothing but hubris. Edited by Stirlingsays (05 May 2017 10.03am) I think you're missing my point somewhat. I clearly said masculinity is fine; it's a natural trait in the majority of men. What isn't fine is the societal construct that anything other than being a red blooded male who likes tits, beer and beating geezers up is not OK. Earlier on in the thread I said the best advice anyone can be given is to be yourself. That doesn't matter whether you're a turbo lad or like dressing up in a tutu on a Friday night and pirouetting around your living room (really sorry to keep bringing you up in this thready dannyh).
Only I could make a typo on a discussion about masculinity to make me sound really camp. Edited by DanH (05 May 2017 11.45am)
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| Stirlingsays 05 May 17 3.19pm |
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Originally posted by DanH
I think you're missing my point somewhat. I clearly said masculinity is fine; it's a natural trait in the majority of men. I must of missed that bit...fair enough. Originally posted by DanH
What isn't fine is the societal construct that anything other than being a red blooded male who likes tits, beer and beating geezers up is not OK. I'm not that sure that we have ever really had that culture as mainstream 'you need to behave like this' anyway. Maybe it's more of a thing in Australia for example but I'm pretty sure that diversity in behaviour amongst males has always been accepted. Originally posted by DanH
Earlier on in the thread I said the best advice anyone can be given is to be yourself. That doesn't matter whether you're a turbo lad or like dressing up in a tutu on a Friday night and pirouetting around your living room (really sorry to keep bringing you up in this thready dannyh). I think what you are stating is that you don't like any social pressures on how you 'should' behave as a male. I get that....What I'm complaining about is the culture we are living in now actually puts a lot of pressure upon males...especially young boys at school....to regard masculinity as something negative. It's not stated plainly but the messaging is definitely there. Girls and femininity are emboldened within our culture using images that are far rarer in society...look at the 'strong' women image used in films now...Men calling themselves 'feminists'...What it is to be a male is often mocked and signaled as a negative. All the advantages that women have are downplayed yet any disadvantages are sung from the rooftops....Yet with men...It's the opposite. The messages from the mainstream culture aren't balanced and the agenda is quite obvious. Edited by DanH (05 May 2017 11.39am) Only I could make a typo on a discussion about masculinity to make me sound really camp. Edited by DanH (05 May 2017 11.45am) Tis fine....Not once did you type, 'shut that door'.
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| Stirlingsays 17 May 17 4.11pm |
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More evidence of how women are treated differently to men for the same crime. The usual suspects the BBC don't even mention the glaring injustice of it. I view this as a part of the discrimination against masculinity. I wouldn't really mind so much myself but the sheer hypocrisy of it when seen against the equality movement just winds me up. Just seen that this is the subject of another thread so I'll have a look at that.
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| HeathMan Purley 17 May 17 6.04pm |
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A very stimulating set of posts - thank you.
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johnno42000  18 May 17 1.20pm |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
More evidence of how women are treated differently to men for the same crime. The usual suspects the BBC don't even mention the glaring injustice of it. I view this as a part of the discrimination against masculinity. I wouldn't really mind so much myself but the sheer hypocrisy of it when seen against the equality movement just winds me up. Just seen that this is the subject of another thread so I'll have a look at that.
I know I haven't always seen eye to eye with your views in the past but you are spot on regarding this issue.
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| VeganPower Chesham 18 May 17 1.27pm |
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I am a feminist, and will continue to be so until 50% of Government, big business and media jobs are held by women. Equality is important for a healthy society, I am a feminist because I love and respect my mum, my wife and my two daughters.
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| johnno42000 18 May 17 2.59pm |
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Originally posted by VeganPower
I am a feminist, and will continue to be so until 50% of Government, big business and media jobs are held by women. Equality is important for a healthy society, I am a feminist because I love and respect my mum, my wife and my two daughters. Right on, sister
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| Kiwi 20 May 17 6.29am |
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It might be. For example it could be related to testosterone? It could also be related to other things. Originally posted by jamiemartin721
Its clearly not biologically defined either, as disparity between male and female suicide rates change over time, quite dramatically, having nearly doubled since records were started in 1981. Could not both biological and social factors play a part? Could the social factors themselves not be influenced by biology? Originally posted by jamiemartin721
if it was a biological trait passed genetically, with suicide being the most common cause of death in young men, across a period of history, you would expect evolution to have probably have sorted that out. Why would you expect evolution to have sorted it out? Males have disproportionately high rates of all kinds of genetic defects. In evolutionary terms, men are the more disposable sex, and the sex within which the most successful specimens can potentially have very large numbers of offspring. This is why you have twice as many female ancestors as male ancestors.
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| Kiwi 20 May 17 6.32am |
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Originally posted by VeganPower
I am a feminist, and will continue to be so until 50% of Government, big business and media jobs are held by women. Equality is important for a healthy society, I am a feminist because I love and respect my mum, my wife and my two daughters. And will you remain a feminist until 50% of garbage collectors, s*** shovelers, etc. are women? You want 50% representation in workplace deaths? Homicide deaths? Combat deaths? You want 50% representation in the prison population?
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| Kiwi 20 May 17 6.36am |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
More evidence of how women are treated differently to men for the same crime. The usual suspects the BBC don't even mention the glaring injustice of it. I view this as a part of the discrimination against masculinity. I wouldn't really mind so much myself but the sheer hypocrisy of it when seen against the equality movement just winds me up. Just seen that this is the subject of another thread so I'll have a look at that.
Indeed. . . Check out the link below for some more detailed analysis - better than anecdotal evidence from news reports. It's also really worthwhile going through the rest of that website. The guy behind it tackles a whole bunch of other topics too (domestic violence, suicide, paternity fraud, universal suffrage), each time backing his arguments with a host of government statistics, case law, medical research, and other solid sources. It's a goldmine for countering some of the misconceptions being spread by feminism. Edited by Kiwi (20 May 2017 6.53am)
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| Kiwi 20 May 17 6.37am |
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This movie (The Red Pill) is worth a watch. It's about the US, but the content applies equally to the UK.
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