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miss smith  london 23 Feb 17 8.21am |
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Originally posted by matt_himself
You won't be saying that when the second coming happens.
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| jamiemartin721 Reading 23 Feb 17 9.59am |
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Originally posted by matt_himself
You won't be saying that when the second coming happens. No, I'll be saying, "I was wrong, forgive me"
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| nickgusset Shizzlehurst 23 Feb 17 11.02am |
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When second coming came out I thought it wasn't a patch on the stone roses first album.
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  Hrolf The Ganger 23 Feb 17 11.25am |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
I agree to a certain extent but as I'm sure you agree that a big difference is that theoretical physics can be changed by evidence and religion can not. Edited by Stirlingsays (23 Feb 2017 7.37am) I do. The trouble is that theoretical physics is not much better than guessing.
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| Hrolf The Ganger 23 Feb 17 11.29am |
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Originally posted by jamiemartin721
No, I'll be saying, "I was wrong, forgive me" If we ever had gods, they were almost certainly aliens.
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| jamiemartin721 Reading 23 Feb 17 12.18pm |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
If we ever had gods, they were almost certainly aliens. If 'gods' exist, my guess would be 'its a lot more complex and odd' than anyone 2000-6000 years ago could comprehend, something like the manifestation of combined human consciousness from a higher dimension - or somekind of very advanced, hyperdimension entity (or alien) in which case, I'll just be impressed and have a long list of questions.
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| jamiemartin721 Reading 23 Feb 17 12.24pm |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
I do. The trouble is that theoretical physics is not much better than guessing. Thanks to maths. I think part of the problem is that the likes of you, and me, and everyman, don't really have the capacity to understand mathematics of that level. As such a certain amount of faith is required that its not just all some kind of strange sorcery and occult conspiracy.... but I think that's reasonable faith. Just because I don't understand things like cutting edge topological and cosmological mathematics, doesn't mean its the same as religion. Possibly because I can understand theology and philosophy though. It worries me when people, not you because you haven't, who don't understand something, just dismiss it as 'nonsense'. Kind of like how people who don't understand evolution, seem to think they can 'debunk it' by redefining it as something it isn't.
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| Hrolf The Ganger 23 Feb 17 12.30pm |
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Originally posted by jamiemartin721
If 'gods' exist, my guess would be 'its a lot more complex and odd' than anyone 2000-6000 years ago could comprehend, something like the manifestation of combined human consciousness from a higher dimension - or somekind of very advanced, hyperdimension entity (or alien) in which case, I'll just be impressed and have a long list of questions. I don't think it's easy to speculate about the nature of extra terrestrials. They are out there somewhere and there could be all sorts. They might have been our gods and they may or may not be vastly superior in technology. My experience leads me to believe that they have been here already but on this subject, anything is possible.
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| Hrolf The Ganger 23 Feb 17 12.55pm |
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Originally posted by jamiemartin721
Thanks to maths. I think part of the problem is that the likes of you, and me, and everyman, don't really have the capacity to understand mathematics of that level. As such a certain amount of faith is required that its not just all some kind of strange sorcery and occult conspiracy.... but I think that's reasonable faith. Just because I don't understand things like cutting edge topological and cosmological mathematics, doesn't mean its the same as religion. Possibly because I can understand theology and philosophy though. It worries me when people, not you because you haven't, who don't understand something, just dismiss it as 'nonsense'. Kind of like how people who don't understand evolution, seem to think they can 'debunk it' by redefining it as something it isn't. I agree to a degree. Ignorance is not an excuse to dismiss the process and science cannot be compared to religion in anything other than a flippant context.
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| Stirlingsays 24 Feb 17 5.47am |
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Originally posted by matt_himself
You won't be saying that when the second coming happens.
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| Stirlingsays 24 Feb 17 5.49am |
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Originally posted by miss smith
There was....and it was so inconsiderate.
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| Stirlingsays 24 Feb 17 6.05am |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
I do. The trouble is that theoretical physics is not much better than guessing. Yeah, some of it has to be...string theory, loop quantum gravity there are a lot of theories waiting for a method of testing. There is a far amount of mathematics behind these theories which give them some validity so I wouldn't say it is guessing. It's trying to fit observation to an explanation. Without people doing this kind of thing we wouldn't live in the modern world. We need theoretical physics to enable humanity to progress as a species. If we don't eventually get off this rock we are doomed to eventually die on it. Some may be satisfied with the idea that it doesn't matter as they are personally going to exist forever in some palace, eating wonderful no calorie cake whilst being in permanent ecstasy from the experience of being with God. For the rest of us, I'm sure they are somewhat happy that some of the brightest amongst us are actively trying to progress life down here on the ground....without us having to sing songs at them.
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