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 Kermit8  Hevon 23 Jan 17 1.13pm |
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Originally posted by paperhat
whatever damage, we as the human race, are doing will harm us alot quicker than the planet. Once we are out of the way, the planet will regain control and settle itself back down again. Hard to believe but some humans, not many to be fair, do live in harmony with nature. Industrial revolution, greedy consumerism and aggressive capitalism: The perfect storm. Sorry, Ma Nature.
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croydon proud  Any european country i fancy! 23 Jan 17 3.20pm |
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Originally posted by Kermit8
Hard to believe but some humans, not many to be fair, do live in harmony with nature. Industrial revolution, greedy consumerism and aggressive capitalism: The perfect storm. Sorry, Ma Nature. here here!
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Sedlescombe  Sedlescombe 23 Jan 17 3.22pm |
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Originally posted by paperhat
whatever damage, we as the human race, are doing will harm us alot quicker than the planet. Once we are out of the way, the planet will regain control and settle itself back down again. At least until the sun blows up in a billion year or so. On a Friday I think
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| chateauferret 23 Jan 17 10.53pm |
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Originally posted by Forest Hillbilly
And yet we also had the Tungusta Event in 1908, which wasn't properly investigated for another 20 years. That was probably a bolide the size of an office block made of iron which exploded in the atmosphere. Compared with the stuff I was talking about it was as a small firewaork to the Tsar Bomba.
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| steeleye20 Croydon 23 Jan 17 11.07pm |
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Originally posted by Sedlescombe
At least until the sun blows up in a billion year or so. On a Friday I think Bad news for Brighton fans they play on Friday nights.
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| jamiemartin721 Reading 24 Jan 17 1.01pm |
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Originally posted by chateauferret
Extinction events seem to occur about every 30 million years, which coincides with the frequency of the Solar System's passage through the orbital plane of the galaxy. The theory goes that the increased quantity of matter close to the orbital plane disrupts the Oort cloud causing increases in the numbers of comets coming into the inner Solar System and thus an increase in the risk of collisions with comets (and asteroids). The last such event took place at the end of the Eocene about 34 million years ago and is thought to be associated with a 100km-diameter crater in Siberia. The one before that was the end-Cretatceous impact 65 million years ago to which you refer. A comet struck Jupiter in 1994 (this is far more common than comets striking the inner planets, and Jupiter's gravity protects the inner planets from incoming comets to some degree). The most dangerous object in the Solar System at the moment is Comet Swift-Tuttle. It will pass within 15 million miles of Earh in 2126 and again in 2261; it will pass within 3 million miles in 4479, with a chance in a millon of a strike; and if it strikes it will do so with 27 times the energy of the end-Cretaceous event credited with rendering the dinosaurs extinct. That's all based on current predictions of the orbit which become less and less certain the further out you look. Yeah, but it would be nice, if such a event happened, for there to be a human species left to be rendered extinct by such a comet smashing into the earth. The question is really, if global warming is real, which it is, and the climate is changing (which it is) then what can we do to lessen or divert the impact. Even if its too little too late (it still gives some hope). The problem with the 'denier' argument is that it tends towards just being a justification for business as usual (questionably funded, and most certainly not a majority consensus of most experts). The point is that this change is occurring, and one side is offering gestures and endevours that may prove fruitless, and the other is saying 'accept it' and see what happens. Its a bit like looking at someone who is bleeding badly, and deciding not to call an Ambulance, because it probably won't get there in time.
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| Tim Gypsy Hill '64 Stoke sub normal 24 Jan 17 9.26pm |
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Originally posted by jamiemartin721
Yeah, but it would be nice, if such a event happened, for there to be a human species left to be rendered extinct by such a comet smashing into the earth. The question is really, if global warming is real, which it is, and the climate is changing (which it is) then what can we do to lessen or divert the impact. Even if its too little too late (it still gives some hope). The problem with the 'denier' argument is that it tends towards just being a justification for business as usual (questionably funded, and most certainly not a majority consensus of most experts). The point is that this change is occurring, and one side is offering gestures and endevours that may prove fruitless, and the other is saying 'accept it' and see what happens. Its a bit like looking at someone who is bleeding badly, and deciding not to call an Ambulance, because it probably won't get there in time. Or like trying to stop the tide coming in? Elton John famously called room service to ask them to stop the damn noise whilst he was staying at a hotel in Chicago. It was the wind. And they couldn't stop it. Funny that.......
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| nickgusset Shizzlehurst 24 Jan 17 11.13pm |
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Originally posted by Tim Gypsy Hill '64
Or like trying to stop the tide coming in? Elton John famously called room service to ask them to stop the damn noise whilst he was staying at a hotel in Chicago. It was the wind. And they couldn't stop it. Funny that....... Its not that famous. I haven't heard that story before.
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| Tim Gypsy Hill '64 Stoke sub normal 24 Jan 17 11.19pm |
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Originally posted by nickgusset
Its not that famous. I haven't heard that story before. I thought you knew everything Nick. Keep up. That was years ago. I may be wrong about it anyway. It was in a red top. Edited by Tim Gypsy Hill '64 (24 Jan 2017 11.25pm)
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Forest Hillbilly  in a hidey-hole 25 Jan 17 8.25am |
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Originally posted by Tim Gypsy Hill '64
Or like trying to stop the tide coming in? Elton John famously called room service to ask them to stop the damn noise whilst he was staying at a hotel in Chicago. It was the wind. And they couldn't stop it. Funny that....... maybe that was the time he lit a candle ?
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| rikz Croydon 26 Jan 17 10.42pm |
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Originally posted by jamiemartin721
Yeah, but it would be nice, if such a event happened, for there to be a human species left to be rendered extinct by such a comet smashing into the earth. The question is really, if global warming is real, which it is, and the climate is changing (which it is) then what can we do to lessen or divert the impact. Even if its too little too late (it still gives some hope). The problem with the 'denier' argument is that it tends towards just being a justification for business as usual (questionably funded, and most certainly not a majority consensus of most experts). The point is that this change is occurring, and one side is offering gestures and endevours that may prove fruitless, and the other is saying 'accept it' and see what happens. Its a bit like looking at someone who is bleeding badly, and deciding not to call an Ambulance, because it probably won't get there in time. I don't think anyone is denying global warming is happening or that humans are helping to accelerate it. That it will be the cause of the end of the world and you can prevent it from happening is what people are questioning. I'd say the argument is more, one side belives you can alter it and the other belives you can adapt to it. Evolution proves we're very much a species that adapts.
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| chateauferret 01 Feb 17 6.41pm |
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Originally posted by rikz
I don't think anyone is denying global warming is happening or that humans are helping to accelerate it. That it will be the cause of the end of the world and you can prevent it from happening is what people are questioning. I'd say the argument is more, one side belives you can alter it and the other belives you can adapt to it. Evolution proves we're very much a species that adapts. Well there are sound reasons for doing a lot of the things proposed to counter global warming that don't have anything to do with global warming, of course.
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