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Inapickle South West 11 Dec 16 12.45pm | |
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Originally posted by EasyMeat
What really annoys me is the language after an incident like the Snodgrass non penalty. The commentators say you need luck when your not doing well. He was lucky to get the penalty. They shouldn't be talking about luck, the professional sportsman, cheated. End of, he cheated, it wasn't contentious, he cheated and later admitted it wasn't a penalty. Didn't stop him owning up to the ref though did it. Come on pundits shame these players more and come on FA get our house in order, it's discrediting our game! ..exactly, luck has nothing to do with regarding the other team and only makes the ref look brilliant or absolutely stupid, refs today make their entire performance run purely on luck because they cannot keep up with the increasing speed and their lack of eyeballs, they need help with another ref behind the scenes with a screen and without people shouting in their earholes to simply get the right decision every time ..which will alleviate all their trouble and strife on the pitch from players and fans, leaving them to sort out the little incidents well away from the penalty boxes or to even just act like a robot being told what to do by the other ref behind a screen.
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chateauferret 11 Dec 16 12.51pm | |
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Originally posted by Willo
Why use the word "Conveniently " ? I never saw the whole game so I have been honest in my answer. Regarding "Dodge the question", I cannot pass comment on the referee's overall performance if I haven't seen the game.I'm not one who judges a referee on isolated incidents. You can watch the whole game now if you want to. Although I suppose it would only be of interest to fans.
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Willo South coast - west of Brighton. 11 Dec 16 12.59pm | |
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Originally posted by chateauferret
You can watch the whole game now if you want to. Although I suppose it would only be of interest to fans. I've no idea where I could have watched the game without actually being up there.
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chateauferret 11 Dec 16 1.01pm | |
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Originally posted by Willo
All very well having viewed the incident on TV. If Jones had seen it from a different angle IE running behind Snodgrass Just reviewed the video again there and Jones is well enough placed to see the incident clearly.
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peterg Anerley 11 Dec 16 1.13pm | |
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Willo's problem is that he won't ever admit that the ref made an out-and-out mistake. I am a qualified cricket umpire and I know I have made decisions that were just wrong and could not even be justified - and which gave me sleepless nights! Cricket umpires have bad games, so do refs, and yesterday's ref had a shocker - three out of four pen calls wrong. Willo defends him on the first Benteke decision on the grounds he might have thought the defender got a foot to the ball first. Well, the defender clearly didn't, and the ref got that totally wrong. On the Snodgrass call, he clearly didn't see what had happened, otherwise he wouldn't have called a pen. Since he didn't see what happened, it means he guessed, which is utterly wrong. If you didn't see it you can't call it. In his zealous defence of all refs everywhere, Willo never deals with the psychology of officiating, or analyses why mistakes are made. He poses as a refereeing expert but never deals with these vital factors. I went on umpiring courses where umpires of the stature of Billy Bowden admitted he made mistakes - but went on to say that the vital thing is understand why you made the mistake and learn from that. Willo is not interested in that kind of analysis or what can be learned from yesterday's abysmal refereeing performance. All he does is defend refs right or wrong.
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Willo South coast - west of Brighton. 11 Dec 16 1.13pm | |
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Originally posted by chateauferret
Just reviewed the video again there and Jones is well enough placed to see the incident clearly. One cannot say for certain this is the case as one doesn't have the exact view the referee has of the incident.
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peterg Anerley 11 Dec 16 1.14pm | |
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As a PS, you wonder what the assistant was doing for the Snodgrass call. The assistant was quick enough to change the ref's when Benteke won a pen against us for Liverpool. Why didn't the lino query this call since it was so blatantly wrong? Edited by peterg (11 Dec 2016 1.15pm)
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Inapickle South West 11 Dec 16 1.15pm | |
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Originally posted by Willo
I was expecting Clattenburg to enter the debate.
Edited by Willo (11 Dec 2016 12.25pm) ..your views are always interesting and correct regarding refs because they cannot cope at all with today's game, why posters get so upset with you is baffling because you are always very pleasant and amicable, I'm just pulling your leg over clatterburg, even though he is the king of getting decisions up peoples bottoms, you appreciate as I do that they need help big time and it is very silly to blame you as others do for sticking up for them when it is quite simple to understand that they are all trying to do their best and it is their personalities that come out on to the pitch and portray them as this or that, Hull fans yesterday would have been as much pleased and upset over decisions he made during that game because many too would have seen what the ref saw at the time.
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bexleydave Barnehurst 11 Dec 16 1.19pm | |
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Originally posted by peterg
Willo's problem is that he won't ever admit that the ref made an out-and-out mistake. I am a qualified cricket umpire and I know I have made decisions that were just wrong and could not even be justified - and which gave me sleepless nights! Cricket umpires have bad games, so do refs, and yesterday's ref had a shocker - three out of four pen calls wrong. Willo defends him on the first Benteke decision on the grounds he might have thought the defender got a foot to the ball first. Well, the defender clearly didn't, and the ref got that totally wrong. On the Snodgrass call, he clearly didn't see what had happened, otherwise he wouldn't have called a pen. Since he didn't see what happened, it means he guessed, which is utterly wrong. If you didn't see it you can't call it. In his zealous defence of all refs everywhere, Willo never deals with the psychology of officiating, or analyses why mistakes are made. He poses as a refereeing expert but never deals with these vital factors. I went on umpiring courses where umpires of the stature of Billy Bowden admitted he made mistakes - but went on to say that the vital thing is understand why you made the mistake and learn from that. Willo is not interested in that kind of analysis or what can be learned from yesterday's abysmal refereeing performance. All he does is defend refs right or wrong. Excellent post, Peter. It's good to hear a view from the 'other side', so to speak.
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chateauferret 11 Dec 16 1.21pm | |
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Originally posted by Willo
One cannot say for certain this is the case as one doesn't have the exact view the referee has of the incident. And even if he were in the right place that still doesn't mean he saw it. But if he didn't see it why did he give it?
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Willo South coast - west of Brighton. 11 Dec 16 1.22pm | |
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Originally posted by peterg
As a PS, you wonder what the assistant was doing for the Snodgrass call. The assistant was quick enough to change the ref's when Benteke won a pen against us for Liverpool. Why didn't the lino query this call since it was so blatantly wrong? Edited by peterg (11 Dec 2016 1.15pm) Regards the Snodgrass incident, the Assistant was on the far side well away from the action and from his angle couldn't possibly see that no contact was made. As for Benteke, the assistant was on the near touchline not far from the incident so had a much better view.
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Inapickle South West 11 Dec 16 1.26pm | |
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Originally posted by Willo
One cannot say for certain this is the case as one doesn't have the exact view the referee has of the incident. ..also if the ref is convinced he saw a foul then it doesn't really matter what others say, he needs their help when he isn't 100% sure what he has seen, Dann did go to ground and his legs did make movements towards snotgrass and people watching it behind screens needed help seeing it from the keepers view to realise what really happened, not really the refs fault, just snotgrass's and the same for any player really wanting to get something for his mates, cheating needs to be dealt with behind the scenes.
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