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 Stirlingsays  13 Sep 16 2.24pm |
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Originally posted by nickgusset
Indeed, I'd wager that nothings been learned and the same people are in charge. Should have followed Icelands lead and jailed the feckers. Our economy is too slanted towards them for that.....though I'm not against the mood music. Nothing really changed I think....though others will know far more than me about it. Probably just a few more checks and a little separation between savings and investments...no doubt it will all go back in time. There is no revolution without blood.....not that I'm supporting revolution....but the reality is that advantage is never given up.
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| Stirlingsays 13 Sep 16 2.27pm |
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Originally posted by nickgusset
Can you do a welcome to Britain party for a family of 20 Syrians for me? Feck....that would be a push! Maybe if Stuk did the prior vetting.
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| Stuk Top half 13 Sep 16 3.58pm |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
Feck....that would be a push! Maybe if Stuk did the prior vetting. huh? Only just looked at this thread as the title was good enough reason to ignore it.
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| jamiemartin721 Reading 13 Sep 16 4.16pm |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
Indeed, It's this aspect of human nature that annoys me the most. It's why I like a politician with convictions...preferably the mental ones This is why dictators are inherently more interesting. You stake your life on your convictions, and even your allies and family literally will stab you in the back to get ahead. The might be mad, they might be barking, but ultimately most dictators do stake their life on 'being able to do the job' (and often their entire families life). Originally posted by Stirlingsays
But the reality is that most people will bend with the wind to maximise their personal advantage.....I suppose everyone is willing to acquiesce for necessity but plenty are quite prepared to have little principle if it secures some advantage. Divorced from consequence, everyone will 'take the money', bar a very few. I don't think its human nature per se, but a consequence of capitalism. Money, is inherently desirable, and reward devoid of real risk is inherently attractive. The more 'abstracted the risk is from a personal risk' the easier it is to corrupt any moral or ethical sense, especially if they see others getting away with it. Especially, if it makes them more successful at their job. Originally posted by Stirlingsays
They can always re-pattern and rationalise their behaviour to themselves at a later date if at all. Most human beings are pretty s*** actually. On that note I'm available to book for parties, weddings and other celebrations. Kind of, however I think that for the most part we're not so much pretty s**t, as easily led when there are no real guidelines, and the actual 'harm' is a distant abstracted situation. I don't think most people would rape if they knew they'd get away with it. But given the chance to get more money, with out a really identifiable victim, is another matter. Oddly, to tie it back up to the dictators bit - I think those who are resistant, are also the kind of people who in different situations end up becoming dictators, people who are often 'too moralistic and judgemental for their own good'
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Even if I don't agree with some of them...As long as they aren't that mad. 
| jamiemartin721 Reading 13 Sep 16 4.21pm |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays There is no revolution without blood.....not that I'm supporting revolution....but the reality is that advantage is never given up.
Absolutely true, the history of human change, typically is written in the blood of people who tried to say there was a better way, who typically end up getting called martyrs by people who end up exploiting 'their sacrifice' for their own agenda.
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| Stirlingsays 13 Sep 16 6.08pm |
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Originally posted by Stuk
huh? Only just looked at this thread as the title was good enough reason to ignore it.
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| Stirlingsays 13 Sep 16 6.12pm |
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Originally posted by jamiemartin721
Absolutely true, the history of human change, typically is written in the blood of people who tried to say there was a better way, who typically end up getting called martyrs by people who end up exploiting 'their sacrifice' for their own agenda. Yep exactly. It's nice that on some tides we swim in the same direction. That's a weird fecking metaphor but I like it.
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| Stirlingsays 13 Sep 16 6.21pm |
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Originally posted by jamiemartin721
Kind of, however I think that for the most part we're not so much pretty s**t, as easily led when there are no real guidelines, and the actual 'harm' is a distant abstracted situation. I don't think most people would rape if they knew they'd get away with it. But given the chance to get more money, with out a really identifiable victim, is another matter. Oddly, to tie it back up to the dictators bit - I think those who are resistant, are also the kind of people who in different situations end up becoming dictators, people who are often 'too moralistic and judgemental for their own good' I do believe that having personal moral standards....at least for yourself is a positive. I agree that making this a standard for everyone is problematical though obviously a reasonable part of the law is based upon morality....do not steal or kill for example....without morality civilization isn't possible.....Though I agree that, like most things, morality can become a two edged sword once the 'one size, fits all' approach is taken to extremes. I most certainly like to think I wouldn't rape, even if I could get away with it....but I know what you mean.
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| .TUX. 14 Sep 16 1.00pm |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
You do know Nick that it was people inside the financial system who actually deliberately crashed it right? It wasn't as if no one knew what was going to happen. The reality was that only a few knew and believed it could happen. But don't be fooled into the hype that no one in the financial sector predicted this nor actually bet upon it happening. They massively bet against the system which turned it from a definite problem into the massive crash that occurred and that we still contend with today. Well, that's what the 'Big Short' taught me. Edited by Stirlingsays (13 Sep 2016 2.41am) This. Cunds.
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| jamiemartin721 Reading 14 Sep 16 1.22pm |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
I do believe that having personal moral standards....at least for yourself is a positive. I agree that making this a standard for everyone is problematical though obviously a reasonable part of the law is based upon morality....do not steal or kill for example....without morality civilization isn't possible.....Though I agree that, like most things, morality can become a two edged sword once the 'one size, fits all' approach is taken to extremes. I most certainly like to think I wouldn't rape, even if I could get away with it....but I know what you mean. I think the law is more ethical, rather than moral, because it tends to include all manner of exceptions, where it is acceptable to kill someone or steal (typically when the outcome is in preventing a greater crime, protection of the self or in the protection of others). I think personal morality isn't a problem, man has to have a code to live by. But as you said, when you expect others to 'live up to your morality' then you end up in a tricky situation. I also think most people's moral code tends to be somewhat flexible when it comes to their own self interest. Edited by jamiemartin721 (14 Sep 2016 1.23pm)
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| jamiemartin721 Reading 14 Sep 16 1.31pm |
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Originally posted by .TUX.
This. Cunds.
To an extent. Difference is, when people f**k up in organised crime, people disappear, often including those indirectly responsible, usually at the hands of those people who worked for them. The rewards of organised crime can be high, but the price of failure is also very high. And if someone bails you out financially, you can be that the vig on the principle is going to be paid.
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| .TUX. 14 Sep 16 2.04pm |
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Originally posted by jamiemartin721
To an extent. Difference is, when people f**k up in organised crime, people disappear, often including those indirectly responsible, usually at the hands of those people who worked for them. The rewards of organised crime can be high, but the price of failure is also very high. And if someone bails you out financially, you can be that the vig on the principle is going to be paid. Ok.
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