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Of interest, it would be helpful if posters could start by defining what they think immigration is. Are you talking about anyone coming here to live, whether legally or not, of any nationality and for any reason? If, on the other hand, you are talking about specific groups, nationalities, races, then please do say so up front. Saves so much time.
As are pretty much 99% of those here legally. Lets be honest they don't come here for the weather or our sandy beaches
For what its worth I totally agree on the asylum part - first 'safe' country you meet should mean that country have the obligation to grant you asylum and you take it or leave it. Edited by The Sash (04 Aug 2015 11.11am)
Interestingly in the first quarter of the year around 250,000 people came to the EU to claim asylum; less than 10,000 came to the UK, over 70,000 went to Germany, with France and Italy receiving over 30,000 each. Even Hungary had 17,000 applicants. The myth that immigrants all want to come to the UK just doesn't stack up. And the availability of benefits and the amount paid to immigrants is not appreciably different to most other EU countries.
No he hasn't. It's complete unsubstantiated bs.
Work it out, mate.
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Of interest, it would be helpful if posters could start by defining what they think immigration is. Are you talking about anyone coming here to live, whether legally or not, of any nationality and for any reason? If, on the other hand, you are talking about specific groups, nationalities, races, then please do say so up front. Saves so much time.
As are pretty much 99% of those here legally. Lets be honest they don't come here for the weather or our sandy beaches
For what its worth I totally agree on the asylum part - first 'safe' country you meet should mean that country have the obligation to grant you asylum and you take it or leave it. Edited by The Sash (04 Aug 2015 11.11am)
Interestingly in the first quarter of the year around 250,000 people came to the EU to claim asylum; less than 10,000 came to the UK, over 70,000 went to Germany, with France and Italy receiving over 30,000 each. Even Hungary had 17,000 applicants. The myth that immigrants all want to come to the UK just doesn't stack up. And the availability of benefits and the amount paid to immigrants is not appreciably different to most other EU countries.
No he hasn't. It's complete unsubstantiated bs.
Work it out, mate. Do you have any numbers handy? I have seen many posters claim this and many claim that actually they don't get more in the UK than Germany etc but nobody seems to be providing any actual evidence......
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nickgusset Shizzlehurst 04 Aug 15 6.17pm | |
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Of interest, it would be helpful if posters could start by defining what they think immigration is. Are you talking about anyone coming here to live, whether legally or not, of any nationality and for any reason? If, on the other hand, you are talking about specific groups, nationalities, races, then please do say so up front. Saves so much time.
As are pretty much 99% of those here legally. Lets be honest they don't come here for the weather or our sandy beaches
For what its worth I totally agree on the asylum part - first 'safe' country you meet should mean that country have the obligation to grant you asylum and you take it or leave it. Edited by The Sash (04 Aug 2015 11.11am)
Interestingly in the first quarter of the year around 250,000 people came to the EU to claim asylum; less than 10,000 came to the UK, over 70,000 went to Germany, with France and Italy receiving over 30,000 each. Even Hungary had 17,000 applicants. The myth that immigrants all want to come to the UK just doesn't stack up. And the availability of benefits and the amount paid to immigrants is not appreciably different to most other EU countries.
No he hasn't. It's complete unsubstantiated bs.
Work it out, mate.
I saw figures the other day that put Germany as most generous. The UK was low in the list. But I'll reiterate, problem as it is, the country's ills are not down to immigration but austerity.
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Of interest, it would be helpful if posters could start by defining what they think immigration is. Are you talking about anyone coming here to live, whether legally or not, of any nationality and for any reason? If, on the other hand, you are talking about specific groups, nationalities, races, then please do say so up front. Saves so much time.
As are pretty much 99% of those here legally. Lets be honest they don't come here for the weather or our sandy beaches
For what its worth I totally agree on the asylum part - first 'safe' country you meet should mean that country have the obligation to grant you asylum and you take it or leave it. Edited by The Sash (04 Aug 2015 11.11am)
Interestingly in the first quarter of the year around 250,000 people came to the EU to claim asylum; less than 10,000 came to the UK, over 70,000 went to Germany, with France and Italy receiving over 30,000 each. Even Hungary had 17,000 applicants. The myth that immigrants all want to come to the UK just doesn't stack up. And the availability of benefits and the amount paid to immigrants is not appreciably different to most other EU countries.
No he hasn't. It's complete unsubstantiated bs.
Work it out, mate. Do you have any numbers handy? I have seen many posters claim this and many claim that actually they don't get more in the UK than Germany etc but nobody seems to be providing any actual evidence......
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ghosteagle 04 Aug 15 6.23pm | |
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Of interest, it would be helpful if posters could start by defining what they think immigration is. Are you talking about anyone coming here to live, whether legally or not, of any nationality and for any reason? If, on the other hand, you are talking about specific groups, nationalities, races, then please do say so up front. Saves so much time.
As are pretty much 99% of those here legally. Lets be honest they don't come here for the weather or our sandy beaches
For what its worth I totally agree on the asylum part - first 'safe' country you meet should mean that country have the obligation to grant you asylum and you take it or leave it. Edited by The Sash (04 Aug 2015 11.11am)
Interestingly in the first quarter of the year around 250,000 people came to the EU to claim asylum; less than 10,000 came to the UK, over 70,000 went to Germany, with France and Italy receiving over 30,000 each. Even Hungary had 17,000 applicants. The myth that immigrants all want to come to the UK just doesn't stack up. And the availability of benefits and the amount paid to immigrants is not appreciably different to most other EU countries.
No he hasn't. It's complete unsubstantiated bs.
Work it out, mate. Do you have any numbers handy? I have seen many posters claim this and many claim that actually they don't get more in the UK than Germany etc but nobody seems to be providing any actual evidence......
I was questioning the idea that the uk is more generous to immigrants than other EU countries. I had read that they got better benefits in Germany and Sweden.
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Of interest, it would be helpful if posters could start by defining what they think immigration is. Are you talking about anyone coming here to live, whether legally or not, of any nationality and for any reason? If, on the other hand, you are talking about specific groups, nationalities, races, then please do say so up front. Saves so much time.
As are pretty much 99% of those here legally. Lets be honest they don't come here for the weather or our sandy beaches
For what its worth I totally agree on the asylum part - first 'safe' country you meet should mean that country have the obligation to grant you asylum and you take it or leave it. Edited by The Sash (04 Aug 2015 11.11am)
Interestingly in the first quarter of the year around 250,000 people came to the EU to claim asylum; less than 10,000 came to the UK, over 70,000 went to Germany, with France and Italy receiving over 30,000 each. Even Hungary had 17,000 applicants. The myth that immigrants all want to come to the UK just doesn't stack up. And the availability of benefits and the amount paid to immigrants is not appreciably different to most other EU countries.
No he hasn't. It's complete unsubstantiated bs.
Work it out, mate. Do you have any numbers handy? I have seen many posters claim this and many claim that actually they don't get more in the UK than Germany etc but nobody seems to be providing any actual evidence......
I was questioning the idea that the uk is more generous to immigrants than other EU countries. I had read that they got better benefits in Germany and Sweden. Perhaps you should nip over to Calais and show them what you've read as they clearly believe otherwise.
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ghosteagle 04 Aug 15 6.26pm | |
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Of interest, it would be helpful if posters could start by defining what they think immigration is. Are you talking about anyone coming here to live, whether legally or not, of any nationality and for any reason? If, on the other hand, you are talking about specific groups, nationalities, races, then please do say so up front. Saves so much time.
As are pretty much 99% of those here legally. Lets be honest they don't come here for the weather or our sandy beaches
For what its worth I totally agree on the asylum part - first 'safe' country you meet should mean that country have the obligation to grant you asylum and you take it or leave it. Edited by The Sash (04 Aug 2015 11.11am)
Interestingly in the first quarter of the year around 250,000 people came to the EU to claim asylum; less than 10,000 came to the UK, over 70,000 went to Germany, with France and Italy receiving over 30,000 each. Even Hungary had 17,000 applicants. The myth that immigrants all want to come to the UK just doesn't stack up. And the availability of benefits and the amount paid to immigrants is not appreciably different to most other EU countries.
No he hasn't. It's complete unsubstantiated bs.
Work it out, mate. Do you have any numbers handy? I have seen many posters claim this and many claim that actually they don't get more in the UK than Germany etc but nobody seems to be providing any actual evidence......
I was questioning the idea that the uk is more generous to immigrants than other EU countries. I had read that they got better benefits in Germany and Sweden. Perhaps you should nip over to Calais and show them what you've read as they clearly believe otherwise. Not necessarily, if true it means that their reasons for coming here are based on something other than a simple economic equation.
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Of interest, it would be helpful if posters could start by defining what they think immigration is. Are you talking about anyone coming here to live, whether legally or not, of any nationality and for any reason? If, on the other hand, you are talking about specific groups, nationalities, races, then please do say so up front. Saves so much time.
As are pretty much 99% of those here legally. Lets be honest they don't come here for the weather or our sandy beaches
For what its worth I totally agree on the asylum part - first 'safe' country you meet should mean that country have the obligation to grant you asylum and you take it or leave it. Edited by The Sash (04 Aug 2015 11.11am)
Interestingly in the first quarter of the year around 250,000 people came to the EU to claim asylum; less than 10,000 came to the UK, over 70,000 went to Germany, with France and Italy receiving over 30,000 each. Even Hungary had 17,000 applicants. The myth that immigrants all want to come to the UK just doesn't stack up. And the availability of benefits and the amount paid to immigrants is not appreciably different to most other EU countries.
No he hasn't. It's complete unsubstantiated bs.
Work it out, mate. Do you have any numbers handy? I have seen many posters claim this and many claim that actually they don't get more in the UK than Germany etc but nobody seems to be providing any actual evidence......
I was questioning the idea that the uk is more generous to immigrants than other EU countries. I had read that they got better benefits in Germany and Sweden. Perhaps you should nip over to Calais and show them what you've read as they clearly believe otherwise. Not necessarily, if true it means that their reasons for coming here are based on something other than a simple economic equation.
If that isn't true, then somebody needs to educate them (seeing as how nobody seems prepared to set about them with flamethrowers).
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Catfish Burgess Hill 04 Aug 15 6.35pm | |
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There is little evidence that the benefit system is open to abuse or that illegal migrants are taking social housing. If it is accepted that is the case you have to look for other reasons that make the UK attractive" The main incentive for migrants, whether illegal or legal is work, and always has been. The key differences between this country and other European countries is how easy it is to enter the black economy. The lack of a national labour inspectorate and, most importantly, the lack of national ID cards are what make the difference. There have been attempts to shore up the system in other ways. Fines for employers and landlords, labour restrictions on asylum seekers and plans to prosecute illegal workers and seize wages. All of this was planned by Labour to create a "hostile environment" ( a term coined by Labour immigration minister Liam Byrne). Labour also of course planned to introduce national ID cards but the scheme was scrapped by the Tories. Labour were on the right track and the perception among migrants that we are still an open house for illegal workers is one that has been allowed to continue by the coalition and present government. If the British public are serious about controlling migration they will have to accept the kind of in country restrictions that exist elsewhere. This is where the libertarian right and the paranoid left meet in a common cause. It is ironic that the key measure that might help control illegal migration is opposed by those most in favour and most against immigration controls.
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Of interest, it would be helpful if posters could start by defining what they think immigration is. Are you talking about anyone coming here to live, whether legally or not, of any nationality and for any reason? If, on the other hand, you are talking about specific groups, nationalities, races, then please do say so up front. Saves so much time.
As are pretty much 99% of those here legally. Lets be honest they don't come here for the weather or our sandy beaches
For what its worth I totally agree on the asylum part - first 'safe' country you meet should mean that country have the obligation to grant you asylum and you take it or leave it. Edited by The Sash (04 Aug 2015 11.11am)
Interestingly in the first quarter of the year around 250,000 people came to the EU to claim asylum; less than 10,000 came to the UK, over 70,000 went to Germany, with France and Italy receiving over 30,000 each. Even Hungary had 17,000 applicants. The myth that immigrants all want to come to the UK just doesn't stack up. And the availability of benefits and the amount paid to immigrants is not appreciably different to most other EU countries.
No he hasn't. It's complete unsubstantiated bs.
Work it out, mate. Do you have any numbers handy? I have seen many posters claim this and many claim that actually they don't get more in the UK than Germany etc but nobody seems to be providing any actual evidence......
I was questioning the idea that the uk is more generous to immigrants than other EU countries. I had read that they got better benefits in Germany and Sweden. Perhaps you should nip over to Calais and show them what you've read as they clearly believe otherwise. Not necessarily, if true it means that their reasons for coming here are based on something other than a simple economic equation.
If that isn't true, then somebody needs to educate them (seeing as how nobody seems prepared to set about them with flamethrowers).
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Of interest, it would be helpful if posters could start by defining what they think immigration is. Are you talking about anyone coming here to live, whether legally or not, of any nationality and for any reason? If, on the other hand, you are talking about specific groups, nationalities, races, then please do say so up front. Saves so much time.
As are pretty much 99% of those here legally. Lets be honest they don't come here for the weather or our sandy beaches
For what its worth I totally agree on the asylum part - first 'safe' country you meet should mean that country have the obligation to grant you asylum and you take it or leave it. Edited by The Sash (04 Aug 2015 11.11am)
Interestingly in the first quarter of the year around 250,000 people came to the EU to claim asylum; less than 10,000 came to the UK, over 70,000 went to Germany, with France and Italy receiving over 30,000 each. Even Hungary had 17,000 applicants. The myth that immigrants all want to come to the UK just doesn't stack up. And the availability of benefits and the amount paid to immigrants is not appreciably different to most other EU countries.
No he hasn't. It's complete unsubstantiated bs.
Work it out, mate. Do you have any numbers handy? I have seen many posters claim this and many claim that actually they don't get more in the UK than Germany etc but nobody seems to be providing any actual evidence......
I was questioning the idea that the uk is more generous to immigrants than other EU countries. I had read that they got better benefits in Germany and Sweden. Perhaps you should nip over to Calais and show them what you've read as they clearly believe otherwise. Not necessarily, if true it means that their reasons for coming here are based on something other than a simple economic equation.
If that isn't true, then somebody needs to educate them (seeing as how nobody seems prepared to set about them with flamethrowers).
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Fazil Bawlty 04 Aug 15 6.50pm | |
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You really need to distinguish the difference between immigrants (mostly economic, financial migrants), and refugees / asylum seekers, driven towards the UK due to political and social hardship. Many of those in Calais (such as the reported 13 y/o old orphan who has led his 8 y/o brother to safety only to be denied and victimised as an 'immigrant'). Fact is, the UK is only ranked 16th out of the 28 EU members in the rate of refugees coming in. Only 0.24% of our population are refugees. We take in fewer than most EU countries. It's disgusting that parties such as UKIP have made this a prominent area of UK politics. The 7000 or so people coming into Britain from Calais - most of whom will work their fingers to the bone to survive and pay into our economy - shouldn't be vilified but cherished as they prove the success of our nation which has historically helped those plagued with political hardships and violence abroad. We're a tolerant, liberal society, grow up.
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