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legaleagle 28 Jun 15 3.48pm
Quote Stirlingsays at 28 Jun 2015 1.56pm Quote legaleagle at 28 Jun 2015 1.41pm A. Not at all unreasonable IMHO to ask a poster who complains repeatedly about the evils of "political correctness" and the ensuing negative effects on the country what they suggest be done. B. Ok,you feel with should derogate from the European Convention on Human Rights and relevant UN treaties. The law already allows for nationality to be stripped (other than if a person have no reasonable prospect of being granted another nationality). I agree with you about religious schools,be they COE,RC,Jewish or Islamic.Your proposal would likely face significant opposition from the Anglican and Roman Catholic churches.These being an essence of the "old UK" whose demise you bemoan. We already have control orders. C.It depends what the "speaking plainly" is.Some of those on here who repeatedly "blame" the muslim community in some way as a whole,or their presence here generally,or their religion,would no doubt see themselves as merely "speaking plainly".Others might legitimately see the same sentiments as "demonisation". D.I think your post was much much in the overall context of the developing thread and nowhere have I even suggested the subject matter of your post was not relevant.It seems you have no substantive proposals to offer other than clamping down on the evils of "political correctness". No of course not.....Nothing apart from removing ourselves from several laws, legally pursuing organisations who sack people for non aggressive statements....Changing laws on British passports....Yeah, nothing much here. Also, we don't have the original control orders brought in by Blair, which I'm referring to. Instead we have the watered down 'Terrorism Prevention and Investigation Measures' introduced in 2011. As for stopping religious schools you once again fall into your stereotypical prejudice against right wing views (I say that with my tongue somewhat in my mouth). While I regard many features of our modern feminized society as crap I have never suggested that everything should stay the same. What I complain about is the culture of lefty liberalization which even the Tory party leadership engages in today.....For example, we have reached the stage where even the Tory party believes its ok to have a weak military......Indeed it's been the Tory party who have wrecked the military. well,I can't knock yo for not coming up with new insights ... public spending cuts to "reduce the defecit" equals:"lefty liberalization"? Edited by Stirlingsays (28 Jun 2015 2.01pm) Interesting
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A. Not at all unreasonable IMHO to ask a poster who complains repeatedly about the evils of "political correctness" and the ensuing negative effects on the country what they suggest be done.

B. Ok,you feel with should derogate from the European Convention on Human Rights and relevant UN treaties.

The law already allows for nationality to be stripped (other than if a person have no reasonable prospect of being granted another nationality).

I agree with you about religious schools,be they COE,RC,Jewish or Islamic.Your proposal would likely face significant opposition from the Anglican and Roman Catholic churches.These being an essence of the "old UK" whose demise you bemoan.

We already have control orders.

C.It depends what the "speaking plainly" is.Some of those on here who repeatedly "blame" the muslim community in some way as a whole,or their presence here generally,or their religion,would no doubt see themselves as merely "speaking plainly".Others might legitimately see the same sentiments as "demonisation".

D.I think your post was much much in the overall context of the developing thread and nowhere have I even suggested the subject matter of your post was not relevant.It seems you have no substantive proposals to offer other than clamping down on the evils of "political correctness".

No of course not.....Nothing apart from removing ourselves from several laws, legally pursuing organisations who sack people for non aggressive statements....Changing laws on British passports....Yeah, nothing much here.

Also, we don't have the original control orders brought in by Blair, which I'm referring to. Instead we have the watered down 'Terrorism Prevention and Investigation Measures' introduced in 2011.

As for stopping religious schools you once again fall into your stereotypical prejudice against right wing views (I say that with my tongue somewhat in my mouth).
While I regard many features of our modern feminized society as crap I have never suggested that everything should stay the same.

What I complain about is the culture of lefty liberalization which even the Tory party leadership engages in today.....For example, we have reached the stage where even the Tory party believes its ok to have a weak military......Indeed it's been the Tory party who have wrecked the military.

well,I can't knock yo for not coming up with new insights ...

public spending cuts to "reduce the defecit" equals:"lefty liberalization"?

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Kermit8 Hevon 28 Jun 15 4.16pm
Quote dannyh at 28 Jun 2015 1.36pm I think after events of this weekend IS should be talked about separately to Islam, whilst their religion is that of Islam it is clear that it is not a version followed by the majority of peaceful Muslims, one of LCpl's at work for example. Lets not forget at the same time British tourists were killed so were 30 odd Muslims blown to s*** in their own mosque in Kuwait. I will also admit that my initial reaction on here, was a bit knee jerk, but essentially the sentiment of ignore it and will go away, from the post I was commenting on, is the worst thing we can do, it will get worse if we dont do something. However the tolerance that is shown to Choudry and his ilk beggars belief, if I was to ask a copper to take off a wrist band and get shirty I would be arrested, but because he's a, a Muslim, and b, a dick head he gets away with it. My opinion, for a kick off, anyone who leaves this country to fight for IS never gets back in, and border control should mean that, control of our borders. Well put danny. Been saying for years it's not generic Muslims we should be targeting but more specifically Wahhabis and Salafists who follow a warped and violent version of Islam, and the murderous lot who commit the awful attacks are part of that. Unfortunately, the media here don't make this clear. Probably so as not to upset Saudi Arabia. The US are the same. Know your enemy and all that. The public have the willies put up them but only because they are purposefully being kept in the dark. Big chest and massive boobs [Link]
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I think after events of this weekend IS should be talked about separately to Islam, whilst their religion is that of Islam it is clear that it is not a version followed by the majority of peaceful Muslims, one of LCpl's at work for example.

Lets not forget at the same time British tourists were killed so were 30 odd Muslims blown to s*** in their own mosque in Kuwait.

I will also admit that my initial reaction on here, was a bit knee jerk, but essentially the sentiment of ignore it and will go away, from the post I was commenting on, is the worst thing we can do, it will get worse if we dont do something.

However the tolerance that is shown to Choudry and his ilk beggars belief, if I was to ask a copper to take off a wrist band and get shirty I would be arrested, but because he's a, a Muslim, and b, a dick head he gets away with it.

My opinion, for a kick off, anyone who leaves this country to fight for IS never gets back in, and border control should mean that, control of our borders.

Well put danny. Been saying for years it's not generic Muslims we should be targeting but more specifically Wahhabis and Salafists who follow a warped and violent version of Islam, and the murderous lot who commit the awful attacks are part of that.

Unfortunately, the media here don't make this clear. Probably so as not to upset Saudi Arabia. The US are the same.

Know your enemy and all that. The public have the willies put up them but only because they are purposefully being kept in the dark.

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gambler Kent 28 Jun 15 4.31pm
Everything is going to be ok. The Foreign Office flag has been lowered to half mast. That will show them not to mess with us brits!
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Everything is going to be ok.

The Foreign Office flag has been lowered to half mast. That will show them not to mess with us brits!

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Jamesrichards8 28 Jun 15 5.02pm
Quote Willo at 28 Jun 2015 11.52am Quote Stirlingsays at 28 Jun 2015 11.44am Security is a government's first concern and fu*k political correctness. Absolutely correct. Frankly I have had ENOUGH of this "Political correctness" hogwash. YES! I remember in school, when I was about 12 or so, we discussed how the American government interned thousands of Japanese American citizens during the war for fear that they would remain loyal to Japan and leak information. Firstly, it is common knowledge that Japanese people are very loyal to their homeland (rightly so). Secondly, it had been suggested that there was a significant Japanese american involvement in the pearl harbor attack. At the time of learning all of this, I was confused as to why this was frowned upon. This reaction wouldn't have seemed ridiculous if there was another massive attack on the American mainland because of some inside information. I'm not likening this to today's situation, as interning people is too extreme a reaction in today's society, but sometimes political correctness and not offending people must take a back seat in order to protect the majority. As for what is needed today I don't claim to know. I just know that our priority must no longer be preventing offense to the minority Edited by Jamesrichards8 (28 Jun 2015 5.04pm) Edited by Jamesrichards8 (28 Jun 2015 5.04pm) When you’re knocked on your back and your life’s a flop...
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Quote Stirlingsays at 28 Jun 2015 11.44am

Security is a government's first concern and fu*k political correctness.

Absolutely correct.

Frankly I have had ENOUGH of this "Political correctness" hogwash.

YES! I remember in school, when I was about 12 or so, we discussed how the American government interned thousands of Japanese American citizens during the war for fear that they would remain loyal to Japan and leak information. Firstly, it is common knowledge that Japanese people are very loyal to their homeland (rightly so). Secondly, it had been suggested that there was a significant Japanese american involvement in the pearl harbor attack.
At the time of learning all of this, I was confused as to why this was frowned upon. This reaction wouldn't have seemed ridiculous if there was another massive attack on the American mainland because of some inside information.
I'm not likening this to today's situation, as interning people is too extreme a reaction in today's society, but sometimes political correctness and not offending people must take a back seat in order to protect the majority.
As for what is needed today I don't claim to know. I just know that our priority must no longer be preventing offense to the minority

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Tom-the-eagle Croydon 28 Jun 15 7.27pm
Quote Kermit8 at 28 Jun 2015 4.16pm Quote dannyh at 28 Jun 2015 1.36pm I think after events of this weekend IS should be talked about separately to Islam, whilst their religion is that of Islam it is clear that it is not a version followed by the majority of peaceful Muslims, one of LCpl's at work for example. Lets not forget at the same time British tourists were killed so were 30 odd Muslims blown to s*** in their own mosque in Kuwait. I will also admit that my initial reaction on here, was a bit knee jerk, but essentially the sentiment of ignore it and will go away, from the post I was commenting on, is the worst thing we can do, it will get worse if we dont do something. However the tolerance that is shown to Choudry and his ilk beggars belief, if I was to ask a copper to take off a wrist band and get shirty I would be arrested, but because he's a, a Muslim, and b, a dick head he gets away with it. My opinion, for a kick off, anyone who leaves this country to fight for IS never gets back in, and border control should mean that, control of our borders. Well put danny. Been saying for years it's not generic Muslims we should be targeting but more specifically Wahhabis and Salafists who follow a warped and violent version of Islam, and the murderous lot who commit the awful attacks are part of that. Unfortunately, the media here don't make this clear. Probably so as not to upset Saudi Arabia. The US are the same. Know your enemy and all that. The public have the willies put up them but only because they are purposefully being kept in the dark. I actually think the media go to great lengths to appease race relations and not to try and tarnish all Muslims. Think back to the hundreds of Muslim men who have been abusing young white girls in care over the past 15 years. The local authorities actually didn’t want to bring these cases to light in case they harmed racial cohesion – staggering really that gang rape was allowed to be carried out even though the same men were reported to the police time and time again. We are all aware that the average Muslim is not to blame for these terror atrocities. What however we do not see is condemnation for these appalling terror attracts from the wider Muslim communities. When most Muslims are asked about this they generally start by saying that they don’t condone these actions, however they will then normally go on and try and offer some kind of justification. Instead of blaming the media Kermit why not point the finger at the people who pull the triggers and plant the bombs, but then, that wouldn’t be PC would it. "It feels much better than it ever did, much more sensitive." John Wayne Bobbit
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Quote dannyh at 28 Jun 2015 1.36pm

Lets not forget at the same time British tourists were killed so were 30 odd Muslims blown to s*** in their own mosque in Kuwait.

My opinion, for a kick off, anyone who leaves this country to fight for IS never gets back in, and border control should mean that, control of our borders.

Unfortunately, the media here don't make this clear. Probably so as not to upset Saudi Arabia. The US are the same.

Know your enemy and all that. The public have the willies put up them but only because they are purposefully being kept in the dark.

I actually think the media go to great lengths to appease race relations and not to try and tarnish all Muslims. Think back to the hundreds of Muslim men who have been abusing young white girls in care over the past 15 years. The local authorities actually didn’t want to bring these cases to light in case they harmed racial cohesion – staggering really that gang rape was allowed to be carried out even though the same men were reported to the police time and time again.
We are all aware that the average Muslim is not to blame for these terror atrocities. What however we do not see is condemnation for these appalling terror attracts from the wider Muslim communities. When most Muslims are asked about this they generally start by saying that they don’t condone these actions, however they will then normally go on and try and offer some kind of justification.
Instead of blaming the media Kermit why not point the finger at the people who pull the triggers and plant the bombs, but then, that wouldn’t be PC would it.

"It feels much better than it ever did, much more sensitive." John Wayne Bobbit

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TUX redhill 28 Jun 15 7.29pm
Quote Stirlingsays at 28 Jun 2015 1.49am Quote Kermit8 at 27 Jun 2015 8.10pm US foreign policy since WW2 has left a lot to be desired and has created many a sh1tstorm in various parts of the world. They (the administration) like conflict. It is a raison d'etre. They need to be at 'war' with something whether communism, drugs, terror, and aren't shy in poking their noses in where they don't belong and tend to leave vacuums that are filled with worse violence than what went on before they arrived. They slaughtered the Iraqi Army, figuratively speaking, in 1990 yet decided to keep Saddam in power. Very odd that. Add Central and South America, Korea (where they murdered up to one million civilians ), Cuba (sanctions for 50 years) and their contentious policy of financing Israel and the rows that come with that, and other countries who have not asked for their interference but got it anyway, then the damage that they have caused in the world becomes more apparent. I see them as a belligerent force when going abroad and no good for the health and peace of the world. Kermy your post is just so wrong....It's so wrong it should have a special award named after it. Your arse would be grass without the States....You probably even wouldn't be here.....But you just keep on your way sticking the knife into the very entity that partly enabled you. Blinkered and dumb. Some would call that 'the perfect citizen'.
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Quote Stirlingsays at 28 Jun 2015 1.49am

Quote Kermit8 at 27 Jun 2015 8.10pm

US foreign policy since WW2 has left a lot to be desired and has created many a sh1tstorm in various parts of the world. They (the administration) like conflict. It is a raison d'etre. They need to be at 'war' with something whether communism, drugs, terror, and aren't shy in poking their noses in where they don't belong and tend to leave vacuums that are filled with worse violence than what went on before they arrived.

They slaughtered the Iraqi Army, figuratively speaking, in 1990 yet decided to keep Saddam in power. Very odd that.

Add Central and South America, Korea (where they murdered up to one million civilians ), Cuba (sanctions for 50 years) and their contentious policy of financing Israel and the rows that come with that, and other countries who have not asked for their interference but got it anyway, then the damage that they have caused in the world becomes more apparent.

I see them as a belligerent force when going abroad and no good for the health and peace of the world.

Kermy your post is just so wrong....It's so wrong it should have a special award named after it.

Your arse would be grass without the States....You probably even wouldn't be here.....But you just keep on your way sticking the knife into the very entity that partly enabled you.

Blinkered and dumb.
Some would call that 'the perfect citizen'.

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legaleagle 28 Jun 15 7.59pm
Quote Jamesrichards8 at 28 Jun 2015 5.02pm [ YES! I remember in school, when I was about 12 or so, we discussed how the American government interned thousands of Japanese American citizens during the war for fear that they would remain loyal to Japan and leak information. Firstly, it is common knowledge that Japanese people are very loyal to their homeland (rightly so). Secondly, it had been suggested that there was a significant Japanese american involvement in the pearl harbor attack. At the time of learning all of this, I was confused as to why this was frowned upon. This reaction wouldn't have seemed ridiculous if there was another massive attack on the American mainland because of some inside information. I'm not likening this to today's situation, as interning people is too extreme a reaction in today's society, but sometimes political correctness and not offending people must take a back seat in order to protect the majority. As for what is needed today I don't claim to know. I just know that our priority must no longer be preventing offense to the minority Edited by Jamesrichards8 (28 Jun 2015 5.04pm) Edited by Jamesrichards8 (28 Jun 2015 5.04pm) I'm in the middle of reading a novel called "Perfidia" by James Ellroy at the moment. Only fiction but an interesting take on aspects of the morality and aims of some of those carrying out that initial internment.
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I'm in the middle of reading a novel called "Perfidia" by James Ellroy at the moment.
Only fiction but an interesting take on aspects of the morality and aims of some of those carrying out that initial internment.

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Kermit8 Hevon 28 Jun 15 8.37pm
Quote Tom-the-eagle at 28 Jun 2015 7.27pm Quote Kermit8 at 28 Jun 2015 4.16pm Quote dannyh at 28 Jun 2015 1.36pm I think after events of this weekend IS should be talked about separately to Islam, whilst their religion is that of Islam it is clear that it is not a version followed by the majority of peaceful Muslims, one of LCpl's at work for example. Lets not forget at the same time British tourists were killed so were 30 odd Muslims blown to s* in their own mosque in Kuwait. I will also admit that my initial reaction on here, was a bit knee jerk, but essentially the sentiment of ignore it and will go away, from the post I was commenting on, is the worst thing we can do, it will get worse if we dont do something. However the tolerance that is shown to Choudry and his ilk beggars belief, if I was to ask a copper to take off a wrist band and get shirty I would be arrested, but because he's a, a Muslim, and b, a dick head he gets away with it. My opinion, for a kick off, anyone who leaves this country to fight for IS never gets back in, and border control should mean that, control of our borders. Well put danny. Been saying for years it's not generic Muslims we should be targeting but more specifically Wahhabis and Salafists who follow a warped and violent version of Islam, and the murderous lot who commit the awful attacks are part of that. Unfortunately, the media here don't make this clear. Probably so as not to upset Saudi Arabia. The US are the same. Know your enemy and all that. The public have the willies put up them but only because they are purposefully being kept in the dark. I actually think the media go to great lengths to appease race relations and not to try and tarnish all Muslims. Think back to the hundreds of Muslim men who have been abusing young white girls in care over the past 15 years. The local authorities actually didn’t want to bring these cases to light in case they harmed racial cohesion – staggering really that gang rape was allowed to be carried out even though the same men were reported to the police time and time again. We are all aware that the average Muslim is not to blame for these terror atrocities. What however we do not see is condemnation for these appalling terror attracts from the wider Muslim communities.** When most Muslims are asked about this they generally start by saying that they don’t condone these actions, however they will then normally go on and try and offer some kind of justification. Instead of blaming the media Kermit why not point the finger at the people who pull the triggers and plant the bombs, but then, that wouldn’t be PC would it. So if the average 'muslim' - whatever that is - is not, as you say, to blame why are you blaming them for not being more anti and vocal about something which they want no part of and don't relate to seeing as those responsible belong to sects totally alien to them? Sects that want to kill them too by the way. No one is shoving a microphone in your mug and asking you to condemn crimes committed by russian neo Nazis are they? But you're white and come from a Christian country like them. You must be partly to blame for them too, surely? No, of course you are not. There was a big anti-terror demonstration by Tunisian muslims soon after the attacks on Friday. I'm guessing you knew that but if not why not? As was pointed out 30 other innocents were blown to bits too on Friday in Kuwait. Ordinary Muslims. Not the enemy. They would have hated IS too no doubt but if they didn't want to be vocal about it no one should have pressurised them to or expected them to be. Edited by Kermit8 (28 Jun 2015 9.01pm) Big chest and massive boobs [Link]
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Quote Tom-the-eagle at 28 Jun 2015 7.27pm

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Quote dannyh at 28 Jun 2015 1.36pm

Lets not forget at the same time British tourists were killed so were 30 odd Muslims blown to s*** in their own mosque in Kuwait.

My opinion, for a kick off, anyone who leaves this country to fight for IS never gets back in, and border control should mean that, control of our borders.

Unfortunately, the media here don't make this clear. Probably so as not to upset Saudi Arabia. The US are the same.

Know your enemy and all that. The public have the willies put up them but only because they are purposefully being kept in the dark.

I actually think the media go to great lengths to appease race relations and not to try and tarnish all Muslims. Think back to the hundreds of Muslim men who have been abusing young white girls in care over the past 15 years. The local authorities actually didn’t want to bring these cases to light in case they harmed racial cohesion – staggering really that gang rape was allowed to be carried out even though the same men were reported to the police time and time again.
We are all aware that the average Muslim is not to blame for these terror atrocities. What however we do not see is condemnation for these appalling terror attracts from the wider Muslim communities. When most Muslims are asked about this they generally start by saying that they don’t condone these actions, however they will then normally go on and try and offer some kind of justification.
Instead of blaming the media Kermit why not point the finger at the people who pull the triggers and plant the bombs, but then, that wouldn’t be PC would it.

So if the average 'muslim' - whatever that is - is not, as you say, to blame why are you blaming them for not being more anti and vocal about something which they want no part of and don't relate to seeing
as those responsible belong to sects totally alien to them? Sects that want to kill them too by the way.

No one is shoving a microphone in your mug and asking you to condemn crimes committed by russian neo Nazis
are they? But you're white and come from a Christian country like them. You must be partly to blame for them too, surely? No, of course you are not.

There was a big anti-terror demonstration by Tunisian muslims soon after the attacks on Friday. I'm guessing you knew that but if not why not?

As was pointed out 30 other innocents were blown to bits too on Friday in Kuwait. Ordinary Muslims. Not the enemy. They would have hated IS too no doubt but if they didn't want to be vocal about it no one should have pressurised them to or expected them to be.

Edited by Kermit8 (28 Jun 2015 9.01pm)

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Stirlingsays 28 Jun 15 9.48pm
Quote TUX at 28 Jun 2015 7.29pm Blinkered and dumb. Some would call that 'the perfect citizen'. Oh look I was called dumb by an idiot. 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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Blinkered and dumb.
Some would call that 'the perfect citizen'.

Oh look I was called dumb by an idiot.

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

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TUX redhill 28 Jun 15 10.04pm
Quote Stirlingsays at 28 Jun 2015 9.48pm Quote TUX at 28 Jun 2015 7.29pm Blinkered and dumb. Some would call that 'the perfect citizen'. Oh look I was called dumb by an idiot. A feat rarely achieved...........................but you managed it.
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Blinkered and dumb.
Some would call that 'the perfect citizen'.

Oh look I was called dumb by an idiot.

A feat rarely achieved...........................but you managed it.

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Stirlingsays 28 Jun 15 10.08pm
Quote TUX at 28 Jun 2015 10.04pm Quote Stirlingsays at 28 Jun 2015 9.48pm Quote TUX at 28 Jun 2015 7.29pm Blinkered and dumb. Some would call that 'the perfect citizen'. Oh look I was called dumb by an idiot. A feat rarely achieved...........................but you managed it. I'm happy to debate with you. I'm happy to trade insults with you.....But I'd prefer to debate because that's what this forum is meant for. If you haven't got anything sensible to say in terms of debate, do us a favour and don't bother. 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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Quote TUX at 28 Jun 2015 7.29pm

Blinkered and dumb.
Some would call that 'the perfect citizen'.

Oh look I was called dumb by an idiot.

A feat rarely achieved...........................but you managed it.

I'm happy to debate with you.
I'm happy to trade insults with you.....But I'd prefer to debate because that's what this forum is meant for.

If you haven't got anything sensible to say in terms of debate, do us a favour and don't bother.

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

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TUX redhill 28 Jun 15 10.21pm
Quote Stirlingsays at 28 Jun 2015 10.08pm Quote TUX at 28 Jun 2015 10.04pm Quote Stirlingsays at 28 Jun 2015 9.48pm Quote TUX at 28 Jun 2015 7.29pm Blinkered and dumb. Some would call that 'the perfect citizen'. Oh look I was called dumb by an idiot. A feat rarely achieved...........................but you managed it. I'm happy to debate with you. I'm happy to trade insults with you.....But I'd prefer to debate because that's what this forum is meant for. If you haven't got anything sensible to say in terms of debate, do us a favour and don't bother. Why debate with an idiot?
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Blinkered and dumb.
Some would call that 'the perfect citizen'.

Oh look I was called dumb by an idiot.

A feat rarely achieved...........................but you managed it.

I'm happy to debate with you.
I'm happy to trade insults with you.....But I'd prefer to debate because that's what this forum is meant for.

If you haven't got anything sensible to say in terms of debate, do us a favour and don't bother.

Why debate with an idiot?

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