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cornwalls palace Torpoint 24 May 15 6.39pm | |
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Quote Mapletree at 24 May 2015 6.27pm
This thread is possibly the most depressing one I have ever read on HOL. There is nothing wrong with being gay, if there were it wouldn't have been around for as long as mindkind. If your deity hadn't wished for there to be gay people he/she/it wouldn't have invented them. Or if you are Darwinist, apparently it's good for society to have gay people. On the other hand there is massive harm from paedophiles and incestuous relationships, the suffering of people living with this is unimaginable for those that have not. No parallel, stupid stupid suggestion that there is. And to say that non-reproductive marriage is somehow a lower order is bizarre. I bet lots of people on this site are on second marriages beyond child bearing age, does that make their marriages relatively unimportant? If people want to marry a same sex partner, I guess that is because they feel strongly. And if they want to do it in Church presumably they are religious. What more is there to know. Oh and what the hell is feminisation and how can male same sex marriage represent it? That is of course a contradiction in terms. Edited by Mapletree (24 May 2015 6.27pm) Absolutely.
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ZIGnZAG Stoke 24 May 15 6.44pm | |
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Quote jamiemartin721 at 24 May 2015 6.34pm
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Quote coulsdoneagle at 24 May 2015 1.31pm
Just a quick point, how many accidental or unplanned babies do Gay couples have? Answer = none. Also because of the difficulty with adopting and other methods, its pretty hard to get a kid without being deemed fit and proper as a gay parent. Yet still I hear people chatting tripe about how the 'traditional family unit is important,' why,? Also to all of you neanderthals comparing Homosexuality to incest and Paedophiles, you are f**cking morons. Edited by coulsdoneagle (24 May 2015 1.37pm)
That's a good thing right, planned parenthood and adoption of all those unwanted babies that 'gods' way produces? Presumably contraception, oral sex, handjobs, bdsm, mutual masturbation, sterility, vesectimies, hysterectomies and so on and so forth are all wrong (as they prevent the sacred miracle of getting knocked up).
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ZIGnZAG Stoke 24 May 15 6.45pm | |
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Quote cornwalls palace at 24 May 2015 6.39pm
Quote Mapletree at 24 May 2015 6.27pm
This thread is possibly the most depressing one I have ever read on HOL. There is nothing wrong with being gay, if there were it wouldn't have been around for as long as mindkind. If your deity hadn't wished for there to be gay people he/she/it wouldn't have invented them. Or if you are Darwinist, apparently it's good for society to have gay people. On the other hand there is massive harm from paedophiles and incestuous relationships, the suffering of people living with this is unimaginable for those that have not. No parallel, stupid stupid suggestion that there is. And to say that non-reproductive marriage is somehow a lower order is bizarre. I bet lots of people on this site are on second marriages beyond child bearing age, does that make their marriages relatively unimportant? If people want to marry a same sex partner, I guess that is because they feel strongly. And if they want to do it in Church presumably they are religious. What more is there to know. Oh and what the hell is feminisation and how can male same sex marriage represent it? That is of course a contradiction in terms. Edited by Mapletree (24 May 2015 6.27pm) Absolutely.
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Stirlingsays 24 May 15 6.49pm | |
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Quote Mapletree at 24 May 2015 6.27pm
This thread is possibly the most depressing one I have ever read on HOL. There is nothing wrong with being gay, if there were it wouldn't have been around for as long as mindkind. If your deity hadn't wished for there to be gay people he/she/it wouldn't have invented them. Or if you are Darwinist, apparently it's good for society to have gay people. On the other hand there is massive harm from paedophiles and incestuous relationships, the suffering of people living with this is unimaginable for those that have not. No parallel, stupid stupid suggestion that there is. And to say that non-reproductive marriage is somehow a lower order is bizarre. I bet lots of people on this site are on second marriages beyond child bearing age, does that make their marriages relatively unimportant? If people want to marry a same sex partner, I guess that is because they feel strongly. And if they want to do it in Church presumably they are religious. What more is there to know. Oh and what the hell is feminisation and how can male same sex marriage represent it? That is of course a contradiction in terms. Edited by Mapletree (24 May 2015 6.27pm)
Yes, non reproductive marriage in my view is less important than reproductive marriage. That's the main point of marriage.....Outside of that it's just a vanity project for two people to declare affection for each other.....Nothing wrong with that of course and I've gone and celebrated a few of those marriages myself...Also, I'm not pushing my view of marriage onto you...But I'm just giving you my opinion. Personally I feel its an unwritten rule...A young couple's marriage is instinctively celebrated more than an old couple's for precisely the implied reason. Your point about marriage in a Church is I feel for the Churches themselves.....I think the current arrangement in that regard is the right one...It would be dishonourable to go back on legal protections given to them during the original arrangement....It's for Churches to decide. My point about feminisation regards to how I view the way society has changed since to use the expression, 'I was a lad'. Society has changed culturally and socially in this direction of individualism and 'rights culture'....I use the term 'feminisation' to describe the loss of the stiff upper lip....But I'm sure there is a better one.
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derben 24 May 15 7.00pm | |
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There is nothing wrong with being gay. It is probably better on the whole if children are brought up by a man and a woman, although there are no doubt some gay couples who would do a better job than some straight couples. There is nothing wrong with gay people going through a form of marriage ceremony although a lot of people do not regard it as a true marriage as that term defines the union of a man and a woman, but I guess it is only a word so it does not really matter. What is wrong and does matter is when the likes of the Northern Ireland bakers are persecuted for declining to assist in supporting same sex marriage. People should have the right to disapprove of same sex marriage and indeed gayness itself if they want. Businesses should have the right to decline to become involved in political issues. Edited by derben (24 May 2015 7.01pm)
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Mapletree Croydon 24 May 15 7.01pm | |
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Quote Stirlingsays at 24 May 2015 6.49pm
Quote Mapletree at 24 May 2015 6.27pm
This thread is possibly the most depressing one I have ever read on HOL. There is nothing wrong with being gay, if there were it wouldn't have been around for as long as mindkind. If your deity hadn't wished for there to be gay people he/she/it wouldn't have invented them. Or if you are Darwinist, apparently it's good for society to have gay people. On the other hand there is massive harm from paedophiles and incestuous relationships, the suffering of people living with this is unimaginable for those that have not. No parallel, stupid stupid suggestion that there is. And to say that non-reproductive marriage is somehow a lower order is bizarre. I bet lots of people on this site are on second marriages beyond child bearing age, does that make their marriages relatively unimportant? If people want to marry a same sex partner, I guess that is because they feel strongly. And if they want to do it in Church presumably they are religious. What more is there to know. Oh and what the hell is feminisation and how can male same sex marriage represent it? That is of course a contradiction in terms. Edited by Mapletree (24 May 2015 6.27pm)
Yes, non reproductive marriage in my view is less important than reproductive marriage. That's the main point of marriage.....Outside of that it's just a vanity project for two people to declare affection for each other.....Nothing wrong with that of course and I've gone and celebrated a few of those marriages myself...Also, I'm not pushing my view of marriage onto you...But I'm just giving you my opinion. Personally I feel its an unwritten rule...A young couple's marriage is instinctively celebrated more than an old couple's for precisely the implied reason. Your point about marriage in a Church is I feel for the Churches themselves.....I think the current arrangement in that regard is the right one...It would be dishonourable to go back on legal protections given to them during the original arrangement....It's for Churches to decide. My point about feminisation regards to how I view the way society has changed since to use the expression, 'I was a lad'. Society has changed culturally and socially in this direction of individualism and 'rights culture'....I use the term 'feminisation' to describe the loss of the stiff upper lip....But I'm sure there is a better one.
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Stirlingsays 24 May 15 7.08pm | |
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Quote Mapletree at 24 May 2015 7.01pm
So obvioiusly, in respect to your viewpoint you may consider that a compliment.
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cornwalls palace Torpoint 24 May 15 7.11pm | |
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Quote ZIGnZAG at 24 May 2015 3.06pm
Quote Y Ddraig Goch at 24 May 2015 2.48pm
Quote ZIGnZAG at 24 May 2015 2.38pm
You know exactly what I mean by wrong. All because two adults consent to something doesn't mean it's ok. You think it s wrong that's your prerogative
I'm not trying to say I'm right. I'm voicing my opinion that gay marriage is wrong.
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cornwalls palace Torpoint 24 May 15 7.20pm | |
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Quote ZIGnZAG at 24 May 2015 6.45pm
Quote cornwalls palace at 24 May 2015 6.39pm
Quote Mapletree at 24 May 2015 6.27pm
This thread is possibly the most depressing one I have ever read on HOL. There is nothing wrong with being gay, if there were it wouldn't have been around for as long as mindkind. If your deity hadn't wished for there to be gay people he/she/it wouldn't have invented them. Or if you are Darwinist, apparently it's good for society to have gay people. On the other hand there is massive harm from paedophiles and incestuous relationships, the suffering of people living with this is unimaginable for those that have not. No parallel, stupid stupid suggestion that there is. And to say that non-reproductive marriage is somehow a lower order is bizarre. I bet lots of people on this site are on second marriages beyond child bearing age, does that make their marriages relatively unimportant? If people want to marry a same sex partner, I guess that is because they feel strongly. And if they want to do it in Church presumably they are religious. What more is there to know. Oh and what the hell is feminisation and how can male same sex marriage represent it? That is of course a contradiction in terms. Edited by Mapletree (24 May 2015 6.27pm) Absolutely.
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derben 24 May 15 7.21pm | |
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Quote Kermit8 at 24 May 2015 6.04pm
Live and let live. And for those that think otherwise....it is not homosexuals who are not normal but your good selves. Unfortunately, you won't have the intelligence or self-awareness to see that but hey, ho! Kermit at his finest - if you do not agree with him you are abnormal, unintelligent and lack self-awareness. Presumably he must think that the vast majority of Muslims are abnormal, unintelligent and lack self-awareness. But hey-ho.
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cornwalls palace Torpoint 24 May 15 7.38pm | |
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Quote derben at 24 May 2015 7.21pm
Quote Kermit8 at 24 May 2015 6.04pm
Live and let live. And for those that think otherwise....it is not homosexuals who are not normal but your good selves. Unfortunately, you won't have the intelligence or self-awareness to see that but hey, ho! Kermit at his finest - if you do not agree with him you are abnormal, unintelligent and lack self-awareness. Presumably you must think that the vast majority of Muslims are abnormal, unintelligent and lack self-awareness. But hey ho. Edited by derben (24 May 2015 7.24pm)
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Mapletree Croydon 24 May 15 7.41pm | |
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Quote Stirlingsays at 24 May 2015 7.08pm
Quote Mapletree at 24 May 2015 7.01pm
So obvioiusly, in respect to your viewpoint you may consider that a compliment.
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